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The easy way to defend it would be to suggest that they aren't actually sapient. The way they are treated in the original trilogy, and the way they are discussed in episode 2 in contrast to the clones would be consistent with the way we would view something like chatgpt. Sure, it can mimic a person, but anyone who is antheopomorphising it and trying to treat it like a real person is making a mistake.
Unfortunately, this isn't consistent throughout the franchise. Hell, even episode 2 explicitly stating druids can't think comes just one movie after we had a ceremony to present R2 a medal for saving the ship. And it certainly seems like more recent Star Wars stuff prefers to lean towards humanizing the droids.
Keep in mind each droid is not the same. This was eluded to in episode 1. The battle droids were cheap so they had a centralized controller.
TCW tv show first episode calls this out where the battle droids explicitly said “we are independent thinkers”
Which directly contradicts the statement in episode 2:
Obi-Wan: "Well if droids could think, there'd be none of us here, would there?"
If we accept Obi-Wan's characterization, then those droids may be able to operate independently, but they aren't actually thinking.
Again, I think a lot of Star Wars media has leaned towards making droids people and not just walking computers with a friendly ui. It's convenient for storytelling because it's easier to write and allows for droid characters to play larger roles and be more relatable to the audience.
But from a world building perspective it creates a lot of unfortunate implications and just makes less sense. The existence of truly intelligent robots should fundamentally alter the world but it never does.
It doesn’t make sense to make battle droids hyper intelligent. They are supposed to be mass produced, why would you make them expensive?
We see that they can make hyper intelligent droids, TCW has assassin droids and commander droids.
They are clearly more expensive, since some are uniquely adorned with decorations.
Astromechs would have to be on the more intelligent side, since they handle flying, mechanic work, navigation, etc.
The average B1 droids doesn’t need much more than chatgpt.