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The only “rape” victim Israel could produce in 15 months has broken her silence and described her injuries: she was……STARED at! (xcancel.com)

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[–] notaviking 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

According to your argument it cannot be Hamas because there were other militants and Israeli plants, so it has to be one of them. So even if there are proven rapes, you first, according to you, you have to show the involved were part of Hamas and not a plant or other militants.

It sounds like a slippery slope because for the rape victim, the burden of proof is now placed on their shoulders. For most people if Hamas unleashed chaos on the 7th of October, and even Israeli plants used the chaos to rape everyone in their way, from the victims point of view, Hamas released the chaos and they were raped because of that. If Hamas feels like it is totally innocent of all rapes, they should identify all the rapists since then and prove they were other militants or Israeli plants. But that burden should not fall on the victims of the offence.

Same goes for the other side, if you laid siege to an area and the innocent got hurt, the burden should not fall on the victims to prove it wasn't Israeli forces, but on the instigating party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Did you purposefully ignore that no one found any evidence of it? I cited Haaretz, Haaretz is not Palestinian and doesn't speak for Hamas. It is an Israeli newspaper and one of the fairer in their coverage despite the inherent bias. On the other end we have plenty of evidence of Israelis raping Palestinians, bragging about it and publicly defending it.

I think the issue for most in the West they are still stuck in the mindset of Hamas being evil and are willing to believe any accusation despite how flimsy and unsubstantiated it is.

[–] notaviking 2 points 4 days ago

Not all of us here on Lemmy is West, infact my country is probably going to pay the price with US sanctions for taking Israel to the ICC. So please do not make assumptions where an audience is from on a globally available social network.

But as South African, where our previous President raped someone, we saw all the narratives to dispelling the victim.

I never said Hamas raped anyone, even if there is evidence it will never convince everyone and visa versa even if ther is no rapes even you must know that not everyone will believe it, I was just commenting on your argument that there were other militants and Israeli and basically insinuating that if there were rapes you first have to prove it wasn't one of these parties. I feel such an argument is already defensive if you are so certain there wasn't any rapes from Hamas's side, which I am still saying I have not accused Hamas of committing, I am not a witness nor am I deeply involved to be the arbitrator.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Take some time and read this, there is a chance my last comment and edit wasn't showing on some instances due to federation issues:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000

choice quotes from the article:

However, at Shura Base, to which most of the bodies were taken for purposes of identification, there were five forensic pathologists at work. In that capacity, they also examined bodies that arrived completely or partially naked in order to examine the possibility of rape. According to a source knowledgeable about the details, there were no signs on any of those bodies attesting to sexual relations having taken place or of mutilation of genitalia.

In the course of their work, which included photographing faces only and covering the victims ahead of their evacuation, more than 200 bodies were documented. These teams did not document a single case of sexual assault or cases of genital mutilation. They did see women whose throats had been cut and men on whom "confirmation of kill" had been carried out at close range.

Beyond this, from inquiries put to three bodies in the defense establishment by Haaretz, it emerges that the intelligence material collected by the police and the intelligence bodies, including footage from terrorists' body cameras, does not contain visual documentation of any acts of rape themselves. Overall, the police and the State Prosecutor's Office refuse to make public details of their investigation, which, they say, is in progress. The many obstacles in its path were present from the outset.

[emphasis mine]