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[–] MothmanDelorian 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Concealed carriers have a lower rate of criminality because of how selective the process is to get that license. As that becomes easier to get we will see less ideal candidates getting that license and thus spiking that number.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

As that becomes easier to get we will see less ideal candidates

Where are you getting the idea that Oregon's concealed carry laws are loosening to allow "less ideal" candidates?

Oregon went to a minimally-restrictive "Shall Issue" licensing model back in 1989. "Shall Issue" means that the state imposes no discretionary limits; anyone who has not been explicitly prohibited from owning a gun will receive a license upon request.

And yet, licensed concealed carriers still have a lower rate of criminality than the general population.

The reason, of course, is because of the background check: The "general population" includes convicted felons, whose predilection for violent crime is so high it skews the statistics for the general public. Licensed concealed carriers exclude this group of perpetrators, so their "normal" numbers seem extraordinarily low.

[–] MothmanDelorian 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

Oregon specifically? I don’t have any bit nationally it will absolutely without question get worse. Right now concealed carry is neigh impossible for anyone in NYC or NJ. If you aren’t LEO you will not have one right now, but the expectation is that will change and as we get more untrained and less ideal people carrying we should see an increase in crimes committed by people with cc permits.

My warning is more about how I wouldn’t rely on old data anymore because the pool of people who can carry concealed has massively increased.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago

If you aren’t LEO

LEO total crime rate is only half that of general public, and five times that of concealed carriers. For certain acts (domestic violence) they are twice as likely to commit violent crime as the general public.

Opening up NYCs and NJs concealed carry from "LEO-Only" to "Shall Issue" (Meaning: "Background checked members of the general public") would improve the rates among concealed carriers in general.