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[–] [email protected] -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

hero

Also gendered language btw

[–] Dasus 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying you don't believe women can be heroes?

That's super sexist.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They can be, if they change their gender identity. Same way they'd become actors or waiters. Blame the 8 languages duct taped together that form English.

[–] Dasus 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's no need. "An actor" / "a hero" is already a gender neutral term in common usage, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

So the male version of the word is the default? That's sexist.

Sometimes common usage is wrong. That's the whole reason society is having a discussion about pronouns and gendered language. You need to do better, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.

[–] Dasus 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The lemma is the default.

Sometimes common usage is wrong.

Okay so what youre saying is that we should differentiate between male and female actors with specific words to... ensure heteronormativity in the way you see it? Despite feminists calling the exact opposite for several decades before you were even born?

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/weekender/scripts/weekender_actor_070406.pdf

Then, if we jump forward to the 1970s and 1980s, women began to choose the term ‘actor’ instead of ‘actress’ as a direct result of the women’s movement and an awareness of gender bias in language. Women began to take back the term ‘actor’, and it’s often used today. Zoë Wannamaker explains that in the 1970s and 1980s there was ‘a stigma’ – a feeling that people disapproved – of being called an actress. This was because the word actress seemed to have the ‘connotation’, or suggested meaning, of being a prostitute

So just so you know, you're insisting on implying all women actors to be whores. Sexist as fuck

You need to do better, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Idk how long you spent googling, trying to find something that would support your point, but the fact that the best you could come up with was only relevant to the UK in the 1970s is p funny. Did you think you were arguing with Elton John?

no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.

Guy who definitely isn't a conservative was just trying to enforce 60 year old social norms a minute ago lol

[–] Dasus 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah I wrote that on my mobile in like a minute flat, lol.

Just how young or ignorant do you need to be to not know that feminism doesn't want women actors to be called "actresses" (as it implies being a prostitute)?

It's what feminism has been doing SINCE the 70's. Not "IN the seventies."

One of us clearly has better command of the English language. Not that I'm appealing to authority, but, weirdly you dropped arguing over "the male form" after I linked a Wiki article on what a lemma is... Guess you hadn't heard that word before? You're welcome for the lesson. ;>

Conservatives like you are disgusting af.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Just how young or ignorant do you need to be to not know that feminism doesn't want women actors to be called "actresses" (as it implies being a prostitute)?

I'm way more interested in what actresses want to be called than what feminists believe they should be called, unless those feminists are also actresses. Most actresses seem to prefer actress. That's good enough for me.

Not that I'm appealing to authority

"...but that was the entirety of my last post and 75% of this one"

Guess you hadn't heard that word before?

What in the name of Dunning Krueger happened in your life that made you fall so deeply in love with yourself? I bet you were an only child.

[–] Dasus 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

You're purposefully trying to misrepresent the view of feminism as an ideology as an errant thought of a few people who identify as feminists, implying that I'm wrong in saying that actors want to be called actors, not "actresses", you sexist pig.

You need more sources?

https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/actor-vs-actress-76531/

Dating back to the early 1700s, the term “actress” first emerged to separate men and women in a male-dominated profession. But as society continues to confront and expand upon gender norms, many are calling for an end to divisive vocabulary. So which is the correct terminology: actor or actress? Let’s look at this modern debate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnglishLearning/comments/trac9n/about_gendered_words_if_the_word_actress_exist/

https://historianruby.com/2018/04/14/why-was-the-perception-of-the-actress-and-the-prostitute-interchangeable-in-the-eighteenth-century/

https://actingmagazine.com/2024/12/why-cant-we-say-actress-anymore/

Why Can’t We Say ‘Actress’ Anymore?

In recent years, the term “actress” has fallen out of favor, with many in the entertainment industry preferring the gender-neutral term “actor” for all performers, regardless of their gender. This shift reflects broader societal changes in how we view gender, language, and equality. But why has this change occurred, and what does it signify?

What, "in recent years"? It wasn't just in the past? o.O

Why do you want to needlessly gender things? Just because you're from bumfucknowhere doesn't mean that men wearing skirts or women wearing pants should be that difficult to handle, really. You honestly can't expect the world to conform to your conservative views.

What in the name of Dunning Krueger happened in your life that made you fall so deeply in love with yourself? I bet you were an only child.

Guess I hit a sensitive place teaching you a lesson? :F I'm actually a middle child. Well, was, technically, depending on how you look at it, as mom had another kid later with another man, so now I'm 2/4 and that's not the middle, so...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Wow look at all that text and all those links, must have been an exhausting session on google cherry picking things that support your argument, now I feel a little bad about not reading a single word of it.

[–] Dasus 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

"Look mom I'm arguing by being obsessed enough to reply but not being able to address anything the man said"

I've literally seen this more than a thousand times. It's so pathetic.

Ah, yes, "cherry picking" from all the answers supporting my rhetoric, because none support your delusions and I couldn't find such even if I attempted to

Remember this is just one profession.

Do you call a painter a "paintress"? (So weird how that wiki link has "archaic" in before the word, isn't it? :P)

https://www.cjr.org/language_corner/womens_suffixes.php

If you die in some states and your son is appointed to handle your estate, he is the “executor.” If it’s your daughter, she is the “executrix.” In other states, both would be “executors.” Those states, it seems, don’t care about the sex of the person handling the estate. But the English language does.

Weird how you seem to have trouble finding anything on Google to cherrypick from, isn't it? ;>

Why are you needlessly gendering things which don't need and do not want to be gendered?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't read that one either

[–] Dasus 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

"Look, I'm replying to comments I admit to not reading! I've won this debate!"

Yeah see I'm not too convinced. Mainly for having seen this asinine reaction more than a thousand times. Which is why I awaited for it.

I was sort of "playing with my food" as it were. I don't need any sources. I don't need any authority to weigh in on this, because of just how massively wrong you were to begin with, and now I'll try to simplify why, and I don't really care whether you read it or not, as the point of forums isn't one-on-one conversation, but public speaking. (Your messages are and will be public.)

So... here's the coup de grâce;

Which one of the following English sentences would you use to express admiration and adoration of a person?

"[female celebrity] is my heroine!"

OR

"[female celebrity] is my hero!"

See if you use the first one, as your rhetoric implies you want to, and think everyone should participate in this needless gendering, then you're implicitly saying you don't understand that saying "x is my heroin" outloud means you're addicted to something instead of admiring it (and that you don't understand that "hero" is the colloquially used form). Which leads us back to me having a better command of the English language than you, making this conversation rather futile. <3

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't read that

[–] Dasus 1 points 1 hour ago

How long do you think you'll be able to keep up this "I have to reply, but I can't actually say anything"?

Because doing it for a few weeks in a row will look rather ridiculous on your profile.