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Shell is great, but if you're using it as a programming language then you're going to have a bad time. It's great for scripting, but if you find yourself actually programming in it then save yourself the headache and use an actual language!
Ahem
Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should
Honestly, the fact that bash exposes low level networking primitives like a TCP socket via /dev/TCP is such a godsend. I've written an HTTP client in Bash before when I needed to get some data off of a box that had a fucked up filesystem and only had an emergency shell. I would have been totally fucked without /dev/tcp, so I'm glad things like it exist.
EDIT: oh, the article author is just using netcat, not doing it all in pure bash. That's a more practical choice, although it's way less fun and cursed.
EDIT: here's a webserver written entirely in bash. No netcat, just the /bin/bash binary https://github.com/dzove855/Bash-web-server
The few times I've used shell for programming it was in strict work environments where anything compiled was not allowed without a ton of red tape.
Wouldn't something interpreted like python be a better solution?
For more complicated input/output file handling, certainly.
Little shell scripts do great though if all you need to do is concatenate files by piping them.
It's like the Internet, it's not one big truck but a series of tubes.
Yep, in my mind piping together other commands is scripting not programming, exactly what shell scripts are for!
With enough regex and sed/awk you might be able to make even complicated stuff work. I'm not a regex guru (but I do occasionally dabble in the dark arts).
Alpine linux, one of the most popular distros to use inside docker containers (and arguably good for desktop, servers, and embedded) is held together by shell scripts, and it's doing just fine. The installer, helper commands, and init scripts are all written for busybox sh. But I guess that falls under "scripting" by your definition.
Aka busybox in disguise 🥸
I feel attacked. https://github.com/fmstrat/gam
So what IS the difference between scripting and programming in your view?
No clear line, but to me a script is tying together other programs that you run, those programs themselves are the programs. I guess it's a matter of how complex the logic is too.