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[–] Quadhammer 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Are there any leaders that would be positively revered by today's standards? I kinda like Washington, Lincoln, JFK and T. Roosevelt. Churchill, Obama, Ghandi and Carter. Alexander the great?

They've all got their own problems but maybe not irredeemable shitheels

[–] PugJesus 3 points 2 days ago

Churchill

I'm generally lenient towards historical figures who were born under a time of different moral standards, but Churchill was a piece of shit by the standards of his own time, and only gets a 'pass' because he was important in fighting a worse foe - the fucking Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean I’m an Anarchist so I tend to not like the concept of “leaders”.

But I respect a couple Green Party british MPs and Marine Tondelier. Also have a generally good view of Sanders and gang, although not without disagreements.

I’m more skeptical of revering past figures though because history is often written by those in power, so they often end up polishing up a lot of these figures. I would respect FDR is he didn’t do Japanese apartheid and let the eugenics movement perform mass sterilisations of disabled people (and segregation and all the fucked up shit happening back then; not that today everything is rosey)