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I noticed today an occurence of a user complaining about Lemmy being worse then Reddit. The modlogs shows how toxic they are. When this was pointed out, the user deletes their account

https://web.archive.org/web/20241217101003/https://sopuli.xyz/post/20276017?scrollToComments=true

Deleted account: https://kbin.melroy.org/u/Pyrin

This seems to address the question that comes up once in a while "a public modlog is only useful for mods" (https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141), while we can see from this example that it can also be useful for toxic users.

As you may know, [email protected] is a community dedicated to calling out power tripping mods.

Should we consider having a similar community for toxic users?

There is already [email protected], but I feel like the "lore" is more about large-scale events (like the cats wave recently) than specific users events.

Edit: Updated the title, and put the emphasis on creating a community to call out toxic users rather than "dunking" on the users that was banned.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

it's specifically targeted towards the people I'm addressing

(1) That is not your call to make; (2) when people voted for Trump, was that solely their personal choice, or something that affects us all?; (3) when other people read toxic comments, it makes them feel unwelcomed, and entices the more introverted people, and those less desiring of controversy, to lurk rather than engage in productive conversations. Like a shadow in a forest that chokes out growth of the grass beneath it - why would you want to act in such a manner? Note I am not talking about those you are responding to, but the others watching that you don't even think about at all.

You seem to expect others to treat you "fairly". Well then, treat them even BETTER than you expect of them! They will not always return the favor, but your conscience at least will be clear.

Mods "own" their communities. Make your own, and then you'll see how much hard work it is. Why go around making work harder for people who are trying to help? Please don't answer this btw, b/c you aren't there yet where I would accept any answer that you offer. Instead, just think about it?

If a mod bans me from his communities, I just see their reasoning, which may or may not be bullshit. I don't see the context that sparked that reaction.

Both Blaze and I have mentioned how that is not true - well, it probably is on Mbin (unless there's a way and it is simply that none of us here don't know it?), but on an instance running any semi-recent version of Lemmy it's quite easy to find out.

You are feeling frustrated - I get it. So what: that's no excuse to go around slinging insults at everyone left and right. Be better. Or expect to get banned - that's just what happens, sure as night follows day, bans follow insults hurled directly at the admins/mods, surely that's not too difficult for anyone to understand. Nobody "owes" you anything. Though I have tried to offer these explanations here.

Also, I did not click it but the screenshots can also take you to your account's entire moderation history, which would include a temporary ban having been lifted.

Here I can't even make an appeal, I just have to take it.

Yeah that one is fair - we really need a procedure to handle appeals or at least communications. A lot of your bans come from "DM abuse", which could mean anywhere up from you sending gore pics to the mods/admins or down to just sending them a bunch of requests that they are simply tired of receiving. A modmail shared between the entire mod team would be perfection! One day... one day it may come, but this software is still fairly early in its development.

I can't speak for the current state of Reddit, I left during the big protests so maybe the current conflict in Israel & Palestine had similar effects there

I can all but guarantee that, plus seeing the state of Reddit as we left it, I would (naively) guess that it would have FAR more restrictions on what you can or cannot say than here, currently. But if you want to do a proper comparison between Lemmy vs. Reddit, you'd have to go there and look to find out? Simply claiming that Lemmy is worse than Reddit is insufficient to prove your point - especially when you are using Mbin that is quite a bit behind in its development compared to Lemmy, which has been around for a lot longer and so has a more fully-fleshed out feature set.

I've seen so many calls for violence and genocide

Sigh... yeah.:-( I hear that so hard, and yes I've definitely seen it. But calling them names like "dumb baby" isn't going to help matters any. If use of that language offends you, maybe try blocking it, including that whole entire community? But if you call people names, then people will block YOU, and mods remove your comments and ban you from their instances when you inappropriately try to DM them to find out why (honestly I'm not sure what this means there - see aforementioned aspect of a missing modmail - that's again more up to them to decide).

If he bans me for calling out people who do, then I can only assume that he's of the same mindset

I've already responded to this: no there are many other reasons for him to remove your comment. Your comment is abusive.

[about creating your own community] Hell no.

Okay then. But you can only control yourself, not others, so you either play by "their" rules, or make your own space, or else I guess you can feel saddened by it all? But you CANNOT just abuse other people, and expect to get away with it. You will be blocked and banned, as you are seeing happening. If you are okay with that, then all is well, but in case you are not, I tried to explain some things here that might help.