Progressive Politics

1386 readers

1091 users here now

Welcome to Progressive Politics! A place for news updates and political discussion from a left perspective. Conservatives and centrists are welcome just try and keep it civil :)

(Sidebar still a work in progress post recommendations if you have them such as reading lists)

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

TokenBoomer

The Democrats’ stubborn refusal to learn from the campus protests for Palestine (www.972mag.com)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/progressivepolitics

10 comments fedilink hide all child comments

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/23689894

from #972Magazine [published in Israel]
By Ahmed Moor
December 17, 2024

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[+] kitnaht -9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Campus protests for Palestine didn't hurt Dems at all. Like, at all. That's why they didn't care about it. Most of the noise came from non-voters to begin with. You saw a hundred of them even on Lemmy that pikachu-faced when Trump won. All of the ones I followed that brought up Palestine and "we still can't vote for genocide"...all up and disappeared as soon as election was over. Accounts deleted, posts went completely quiet...just gone.

People are too worried about their own local cares at home, and you can't really blame them for it. Israel/Palestine thing is far enough away from affecting us that 99% of people don't give 2 shits.

[–] Keeponstalin 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a net +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. Not enough to win the general election majority, but certainly enough to win swing states. That was the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election with the electoral college. Winning the popular vote would have needed more progressive policies that address and resolve the material needs of the general public.

Quote

Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

Split Ticket (July 2024)

Quotes

In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)

Quotes

Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)

Quotes

American Attitudes: Shifting Realities After the Unfolding Genocide in Gaza (Nov 2024)

Quotes

Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

https://instituteforglobalaffairs.org/2024/09/vox-populi-battlegrounds/#full-report (Nov 2024)

700k high propensity Democratic voters showed up during the primaries. (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate that were completely up for grabs with a single popular policy change. One of the many failures of the Democratic Campaign.

[–] kreskin 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You'd like to pretend that @kitnaut, but the lack of youth vote proves that its your sad wet dream. Genocide support cost the dems the election and inflicted trump on all of us.