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Illustration of overlapping browser windows with Ecosia's logo, a tree graphic, Firefox's logo, and the text "Together for a better web," alongside a search bar with a green cursor.

Your tech choices matter more than ever. That’s why at Mozilla, we believe in empowering users to make informed decisions that align with their values. In that spirit, we’re excited to announce our partnership with Ecosia, a search engine that prioritizes sustainability, and social impact.

Did you know you could choose the search engine of your choice right from your Firefox URL bar? Whether you prioritize privacy, climate protection, or simply want a search experience tailored to your preferences, we’ve got you covered.

Ecosia goes beyond data protection by addressing environmental concerns. Every search made through the search engine contributes to tree-planting projects worldwide, helping to combat deforestation and regenerate the planet. Ecosia planted over 215 million trees, across the planet biodiversity hotspots, making a tangible difference in the fight against climate change. Just like Mozilla, they are committed to creating a better internet, and world, for everyone.

Together, Mozilla, Firefox and Ecosia are contributing to a web that is more open and inclusive, but above all — one where you can make an informed choice about what tech you use and why. Your tech choices make a difference.

As Firefox and Mozilla continue to champion user empowerment and innovation, we invite you to join us in shaping a web that makes the world better. Together, let’s make a positive impact — one search at a time.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Id still trust/prefer a firefox based browser than something chromium based. Their are a lot of good firefox forks out their and it helps make googles stranglehold of web standards slower. I wish u luck one manifest v2 gets killed (ik its still supported for some forks of chromium but how long is that gonna last?)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What do you mean by trusting? I trust Mozilla to increase the executives wages at the cost of everybody in the organisation. I trust that they'll incorporate more and more features I find unwanted. Privacy-wise I haven't trusted Mozilla since telemetry was opt-out. Security wise I haven't trusted any browser for decades.

Each to their own, I hope you're happy with your setup.

[–] JubilantJaguar 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it's more complex than that, because of the issue of the rendering engine. If Firefox-based browsers disappear, the W3C (which controls web standards, including questions of privacy) will be de-facto controlled by a cabal of corporations. The last voice that cares even slightly about our privacy will be gone.

Opt-out telemetry is bad, overpaid executives is bad. The alternative is worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

With no intention of stirring the pot, this sounds just like the pre-election arguments in favor of Democrats.

The last voice that cares even slightly about our privacy will be gone.

The emphasis here should be on "even slightly" rather than the dramatic effect of "the last voice".

I mean, if this slice approaches zero, then why it is better to stay with Firefox rather than moving on to more radical solutions?

[–] JubilantJaguar 1 points 18 hours ago

Indeed, this is just the pragmatism-vs-idealism debate.

I am a pragmatist, you are an idealist. In my view, by asking for everything you are more likely to get nothing. It's not worth it. It's irresponsible.

this sounds just like the pre-election arguments in favor of Democrats.

Yes, and excellent arguments they were. What a different world we might live in today if just a handful of idealists had decided to suck it up and vote for the Democrat instead of the third-party purist who made their heart sing.

if this slice approaches zero, then why it is better to stay with Firefox rather than moving on to more radical solutions?

Because history shows that "radical solutions" are almost always a mirage. We already have an excellent browser made by a flawed but generally admirable company. If there are problems, the solution is to fix them, not to burn it all down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So u dont like group a whats ur solution? Start supporting group b who are way way way worse? Doesnt seem like the brightest idea to me ngl

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, my solution is ditching the entire overbloated web standards we have today and go the small web route where idealists can make useable software without being a giant organisation, targeted both by commercial and state interests.

But that's not going to happen any more than Mozilla will go back to being a decent org.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

There are firefox forks same as their are chromium forks. Librewolf, mull, etc.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 22 hours ago

I've used both Mull and Iceraven on phone, Librewolf on desktop. I went back to stock FF and tweaked it on desktop because it was tuned differently than I wanted - Particularly when it came to dark mode support. On phone I always settled for Iceraven but it's miles behind chromium forks when it comes to tab management (ironically, FF is miles ahead when it comes to tab management on desktop).