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Alleged CEO Shooter Luigi Mangione Was Radicalized by Pain (shatterzone.substack.com)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Edit: Here’s a link to what is most likely the real manifesto: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto

Ken Klippenstein is a very reliable journalist and this version of the manifesto contains the snippets that have been released by law enforcement. Also, considering the thing was hand-written, that very long version involving his mom is dubious. (And there’s not any good evidence that his mom is in anything besides decent/good health)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I read the entire article for once. It was good, and seemingly objective and intelligent. I'm surprised.

I understand why he did what he did. It won't change the American society. In two weeks, this is forgotten and replaced by something else.

It's sad but true.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Maybe if we're lucky we'll get copycats. Enough of those and there might actually be some change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I understand why he did what he did

I'd like to add that he hasn't been found guilty for anything, for all we know he could be a completely innocent person who just happened to fit the profile of someone they could pin it on.

A lot of the discourse seems to revolve around why he did it (e.g. from the article: "nothing he read or posted explains why he gunned down an insurance executive better than this single image in the background of his Twitter profile") but it's important to remember that there's a reason we have presumption of innocence, especially when it comes to how many innocent people have spent their life behind bars or even gotten executed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sure but you can probably understand why people want to discuss these news now, rather than wait for a trial in several months?

Once the trial even arrives, this is forgotten. Nobody will be thinking about this. Something else has the focus.

So if it's not being discussed now, it just won't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It can be discussed without the assumption that he is guilty. I think it is dangerous for the public to remove the presumption of innocence, especially in cases like this where the ones affected are the ones with power.

I would even argue that it's more important to argue with the presumption of innocence. Someone killed a health insurance company CEO and a lot of people are rejoicing over it, then someone who is quite possibly innocent and who seems to have suffered from health insurance company decisions has been arrested for it. How many other people have experienced something similar to Luigi? How many other people fit the profile because the system destroys that many lives? He has already suffered, how much more will he have to suffer for something that he possibly had no connection to, for the benefit of the people who seem to have already ruined his life?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

It's a good point. I havent looked into what he has said and what evidence the police has on him.