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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Democrats did spend years funding the most extremist opponents in their elections to set up easy wins for themselves. A lady even wrote a book about how she won her election this way.

And then she lost to that extremist the very next election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe, but the far right are responsible for the actions of the far right. Stop deflecting

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't misunderstand me, I agree the extremists are responsible for their actions and the extremism. But there are other factors that led to those views being pushed into mainstream politics. The Democrats didn't help things by funding extremist candidates for the easy win in the same way that the Republicans breeding their core voting block of "I'm a Republican, I vote for the nominee" cultists didn't help when Trump stole them from less extremist candidates in the primary. Like how TV channels choosing to air 30 minutes of Trump's empty podium instead of Bernie's speech during the Democratic primaries didn't help run a fair primary that year.

Extremists are responsible for their actions, but those who help to push their views aren't spotless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every accusation is an admission.

Stop deflecting by pretending that there's no greater issue than just the extremists. The rot's just gonna come back if we don't stop it at the source after we deal with the cancer in front of us.

Or are you incapable of thinking about what happens after the extremists are dealt with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AFTER is the key word here. Stop trying to find someone else to blame and look directly at the people who are to blame

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where did I ever say otherwise? No need to be so defensive. The extremists are obviously the priority, and anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or a patsy, but we can't forget those who spread their message. The cultists today, the enablers tomorrow. Gotta keep the big picture in mind so we don't lose momentum or get complacent after the short-term victories.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you think that's what you said you really need to communicate better because that is not what you said

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or maybe you should stop jumping to wild conclusions and making accusations.

It's not hard to not be an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're the one forgiving fascists for being fascists so you can blame someone else. Maybe you need to stop spouting utter bollocks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I literally never said anything even remotely close to that??? I said fuck the fascists and fuck those who help spread their propaganda. But if you wanna ignore those who keep spawning more fascists, that's your perogative. I'll be out here putting them both against the wall. You can line up next to the rest of the collaborators if you want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh fuck off. We both know you're lying in the above comment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Stop deflecting. Why you wanna go up to bat for those who enable the extremists I'll never know, but at least admit it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought I told you to fuck off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Stop

Deflecting