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Having a big tent isn't winning the election. They need to be offering seats at the table.
Big tents absolutely win elections, that's really the only thing that does. Seats at the table are incentives to get people in the tent. But if they don't get the votes , they don't get the table, and any seats they offer are worthless.
You put me in a room with Democratic party leadership, and I'll tear into them with all the rightful criticism they deserve. You put me in a room with voters, before the election, I will sing their praises. I'll advocate their victories and downplay their flaws.
Not because the victories are substantial, and certainly not because their flaws aren't terrible. But there are two tents big enough to win the office, and the other one is worse and backed by lockstep support.
Did the Dems gain significant votes by offering Liz Cheney a seat at the table?
A little, but they lost many many votes by shutting out any pro-Palestinian voices from the DNC. They wouldn’t even let Palestinian-Americans endorse Harris at the convention, let alone talk about Palestinians suffering (but they stacked the convention with Israeli-Americans and families of hostages).
Maybe the convention lost them more voters than gained ? Widely circulated videos of democrat delegates making fun of the protest that was naming the dead kids might have lost Michigan all by itself .
Absolutely. This should not have been difficult; “we grieve the loss of these children and something needs to be done to force both sides into a ceasefire” was too controversial for the mega donors of Biden/Harris. Any talk at all of nudging the rightwing Israeli government was too unpalatable even though Chuck Schumer himself was publicly criticizing Netanyahu.