this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2024
31 points (94.3% liked)

Ask Science

8678 readers
12 users here now

Ask a science question, get a science answer.


Community Rules


Rule 1: Be respectful and inclusive.Treat others with respect, and maintain a positive atmosphere.


Rule 2: No harassment, hate speech, bigotry, or trolling.Avoid any form of harassment, hate speech, bigotry, or offensive behavior.


Rule 3: Engage in constructive discussions.Contribute to meaningful and constructive discussions that enhance scientific understanding.


Rule 4: No AI-generated answers.Strictly prohibit the use of AI-generated answers. Providing answers generated by AI systems is not allowed and may result in a ban.


Rule 5: Follow guidelines and moderators' instructions.Adhere to community guidelines and comply with instructions given by moderators.


Rule 6: Use appropriate language and tone.Communicate using suitable language and maintain a professional and respectful tone.


Rule 7: Report violations.Report any violations of the community rules to the moderators for appropriate action.


Rule 8: Foster a continuous learning environment.Encourage a continuous learning environment where members can share knowledge and engage in scientific discussions.


Rule 9: Source required for answers.Provide credible sources for answers. Failure to include a source may result in the removal of the answer to ensure information reliability.


By adhering to these rules, we create a welcoming and informative environment where science-related questions receive accurate and credible answers. Thank you for your cooperation in making the Ask Science community a valuable resource for scientific knowledge.

We retain the discretion to modify the rules as we deem necessary.


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

We know that black hole mergers are a thing, as LIGO has detected gravity waves from these exact events.

To get too much more specific, we need to ponder the mass of the black holes and their distance of separation.

You did specify that these black holes were of equal size. They would orbit each other, potentially for billions of years, just like any two other massive objects and how these orbits behaved would depend on their mass, orbital distance, relative velocity and the gravitational influence of any other large bodies. For example, two 30 solar mass black holes orbiting close to Sagittarius A* (our galaxy's central super massive black hole) would have a very different orbital pattern from the same two black holes orbiting each other in intergalactic space.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

So.. I was thinking about this. He's a weird thing..

When black holes merge don't the gravitational waves give us information about the motion of the singularities. It would seem natural that the point between black hole event horizons touching and the singularities finally merging generates huge gravitational disruption (and is very brief)

But isn't this a signal communicating something from within an event horizon?

I know what we detect now is extremely low resolution but it's the principal of the thing..

[–] april 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well the gravitational waves come from a mass that is moving. It's like electromagnetic waves are created by a moving charge. But because gravity is so weak you need it to be a very big mass moving very fast to be detectable. When black holes merge they spiral in and at the last moment they get to extremely high RPM with all that mass moving very fast.

Kind of an interesting thought but I don't know if it really counts to say that the mass and location of the black hole is really "information from inside the horizon" even though technically the center of mass is inside the horizon.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Although we're solidly in the realm of fantasy thought experiment, it struck me that - in principal - if one was inside the black hole, with sufficient mass under your control, you could pass a signal to outside the hole by shifting the mass this way or that.

Obviously we're taking vanishingly small windows of time. But in principal it seems that you could react to something inside the horizon, exert your will on the movement of something super massive, and that be detectable to someone outside the horizon?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

if one was inside the black hole, with sufficient mass under your control, you could pass a signal to outside the hole by shifting the mass this way or that

Wouldn't shifting the mass require pushing against another mass? In that case, might those two signals cancel each other out?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)