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[–] [email protected] 89 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

"...and does not depend on venture capital to survive,” wrote Rochko, subtly jabbing at one of Bluesky’s potential weaknesses with that last bit.

it wasn't a subtle jab, it's the primary reason everything else has gone to shit. it is the MAIN selling point of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky plans to generate revenue via subscriptions at some later point and by providing other paid services, like access to custom domains.

This looks like a very important point. I doubt we'll see true federation with "access to custom domains".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Its so blatantly obvious that bluesky is already looking for ways to make profit. The enshittification cycles are getting shorter and shorter. Soon they will try to travel back in time to create even more shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

From what I can gather, they aren’t selling the ability to link custom domains as your user handle. They are acting as a domain registrar to allow users to buy domains and link them to their handle in one step, then likely skimming some profits off the top. Imagine they sell a “custom username with domain” for $20 per year, they pay the wholesale fee (around $9 for a .com) and pocket the rest. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Ah yes "perfectly reasonable" to give away control over your supposedly freely federated service to some profit motivated company. Toddler ass logic. They can revoke that right at any moment for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

it is the MAIN selling point of the fediverse.

Debatable, I would say it's the ability to selfhost and not be under the mercy of "the platform" or the admin's subjective morals, you can also not federate and make the place your own

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

do you think any of that could happen if it was beholden to capital?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Not necessarily, it all depends on the software license, people don't usually care about who funds their software, ( even if they're funding it themselves with their data ), plus If we're talking about selling points, saying that you can control your online presence is a much successful sell than saying it's not VC funded, like I never used that argument when I try to convince my friends to hop on Mastodon

Edit: but I'm not saying it's not a valid argument, it's very valid

[–] Lost_My_Mind 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn't say it's the main selling point. Because if it is, there is no selling point.

The fediverse is a series of social networks. Social networks rely on being SOCIAL. So in order to have a healthy social network you need a large number of people. The more people, the better the platform. It's that easy.

The current audience for Lemmy/Fediverse is a niche group. This group highly prefers linux. It cares (and knows about) federation. It cares about adblocking. It highly prefers political discussions. It cares about privacy.

As for the majority of the country? They don't give a shit. About any of that. At all.

Linux is a platform that if you based user numbers on features, it SHOULD be the number one operating system. It's not. It's not even close. I'll put it this way. The Dallas Cowboys play in a stadium that can fill 100,000 people. If you filled a sellout crowd for an event, the ticketing ushers would outnumber the linux users in that building.

And the reason for this, is the average American does not give one shit if something has enshitification. Or even notice enshitification. That's the reason products keep shrinkings, ads keep appearing. If people stopped using the products, they would stop doing that. It's only profitable because people don't care.

So if the major selling point is "we don't have corporate enshitification", and the majority of people don't even know what that means, then it's not a selling point is it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

The current audience for Lemmy/Fediverse is a niche group.

A niche group who is here because capital destroyed other platforms we loved.

I don't think my statement is untrue but I also don't think it will remain true for much longer for exactly the reasons you put forward.

edit: @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago

The more people, the better the platform. It’s that easy.

Hard disagree, quality matters as much or perhaps more than quantity. A billion Nazi network is still Nazi, see Xitter for instance.