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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by thesporkeffect to c/leftism
 

It seems like now is a good time to have a conversation about finding common ground between the various factions of left/progressive folks. I know this isn't a new topic but maybe it's worth revisiting.

What are the sticking points and what can we all agree on in the context of current-day politics?

Adding some things I think any leftist should be able to agree on:

  • Capitalism has been a strong negative influence on human existence

  • People who look, act and live differently from you deserve exactly the same human rights as you, even if they make you uncomfortable

  • Health care, food, water, and housing are human rights

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[–] d00phy 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I look at it this way: Republicans have been sticking to their guns with consistent messaging for decades, no matter how crazy people thought they were. Rather than trying to “court moderates,” the Dems need to come up with a properly progressive platform and FUCKING STICK TO IT like the GOP did for all those years. Their messaging needs to be consistent and constant.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont see any consistency even when I just look at Trumps messaging. The platform Republicans ran on also changed significantly in the last two decades

[–] d00phy 5 points 2 weeks ago

Trumps messaging is erratic because Trump’s erratic. He’s a useful idiot for the party. At first, they fought it, but when they saw the voter response the first time around, they said, “Fuck it, let him rif.”I’m not even sure he knows what he’s saying (to quote the guy!), but he’s a means to an end for them. They’ve made incredible progress working behind the circus that is his public life.

The core goals of the party haven’t changed in over 40-years, though. As the party has shifted right, positions that were once fringe have become mainstream and rolled into the platform, but the core positions are all still there, and they’ve made significant progress. Abortion is back to the states, Charter schools are getting more and more common, public funding is starting to get to religious schools, many states have right to work laws, some are even starting to limit access to porn. And of course the rich are getting stratospherically wealthier! None of those goals are new. They’ve moved further right because of their success in achieving some of the core goals, and because some of those previously fringe ideas have gained traction. Most of this comes down to generations of consistent messaging (and actively working to hobble the government making it look increasingly inept to fit their narrative). You hear something long enough, it becomes “normal.” You grow up hearing it , it’s almost “acceptable”, while not ideal. Other industrialized countries would’ve taken to the streets if Roe had been struck down. We all went back to work the next day. Sure, there are reasons we didn’t have much of a choice in accepting it, but progress on those fronts have been very slow as well. The last major step being the ACA and Obergefel (sp?).