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I'll go first...

My favorite Fediverse platforms as of 2024

  1. Mastodon - my main social feed platform that first introduced me to the Fediverse in general.

  2. Lemmy - my second main social feed platform that originally substituted Reddit from years ago.

  3. Matrix protocol - communication platform I use to connect with users on the Lemmy instance I'm on

  4. Peertube - would love to get an account going and use it more often but still don't know how but there's FediVideo.

  5. Bookwyrm - Goodreads alternative that I signed up for that could use more work for a genuine reading tracker.

BONUS: my least favorite Fediverse platform lately

WordPress - because I used to run art blogs on there before I heard word about drama about the CEO of the corporation so I basically had to put out my last existing art blog...RIP.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

Much more advanced moderation tools: https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/

Actual instance blocking compared to the incomplete "mute communities" instance blocking on Lemmy

Development seems fasters than Lemmy, they are almost at feature parity while being much younger

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, it has some weirdly opinionated features:

  • Hiding downvoted comments (mob rule)
  • Marking people with many downvotes as "low reputation". I get it, getting many downvotes is a bad sign but I don't think the software should try to make a ruling here, I think human moderators should look at the whole picture. It doesn't make you a bad person that people disagree with you.
  • Communities organized into "topics" - I'm not certain if these groupings are decided by the dev or the admin? Either way I find it a bit problematic.
  • Marking certain communities as "low effort" and not counting "reputation" for those. I don't feel like the software should be making this kind of value judgement.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

If it helps:

  1. this is controlled by a user setting. I left the one that automatically "collapses" comments below a threshold at the default, but I disabled the one that "hides" comments by setting the threshold to -10000. So, far from taking away user power, it strictly enhances choices by providing new options, only at the user's behest.

  2. it does have such a "reputation" feature, as too does life. Someone who constantly trolls others gets rather "known" for such. But crucially, it's a label - it doesn't hide anything, only enhances what is already there. And yeah it's a bit of an experiment, perhaps it won't work. Or perhaps it will be improved further? Based on the above and the responsiveness of the devs, I would expect complete control if features were ever added to actually do anything wrt this score.

Btw apps already have something similar, as too does PieFed, when adding a label for new accounts - bc people have asked for it, and it can be helpful to know when talking with someone that they are a new account (perhaps they are an alt, but it's something, and again it's just a label).

Yeah, I constantly get downvoted - and some of my posts are among the most heavily downvoted content existing in certain communities (but I also note that such things as Innuendo Studios The Alt Right Playbook got heavily downvoted by the same community as well so... I feel vindicated:-). So I mean it when I say that believe me I KNOW what you mean when expressing those concerns. Perhaps the experiment won't work out, or perhaps it merely needs tuning - e.g. so that any one post or comment doesn't weigh so heavily but rather only their aggregate (median rather than mean perhaps? or maybe only the binary choice of positive or negative total score, and even then perhaps not centered at zero but something more highly negative like -10?).

Also PieFed.social has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so those sources of downvoting are entirely removed. It also preferentially weights scores more highly feedback from those with high reputation already - which state I achieved in roughly a week and with only two posts, one a cross-post of the other even. So it's not like seniors are locking out the noobs.

Anyway yes there's enormous potential for misuse there, but it's also something that people have been clamoring for - so it's something that they are being responsive enough to try it out?

  1. I'm not sure about the categories - but again the devs are very responsive so surely easy to change things? Also I've definitely joined communities that aren't in those, and while there are large federation issues with any non-Lemmy.World instance right now (I see the same from many instances including my 2 alt accounts elsewhere - so it has little to nothing to do with PieFed; especially after the enormous surge in content surrounding the USA election), I believe that they show up in the main feed.

  2. I have never heard that before but I would support it - more "experimental" communities should be allowed, to try things out, a "safe space" if you will:-).

All of these are valid concerns - and seem like they are being worked on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It doesn't really help for me, but the beauty of the fediverse is that it doesn't have to. You can like PieFed, I can prefer Lemmy and we can both still talk :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I looked thru this blog hopeful that there would be protection against mod abuse. Instead you can get banned for downvoting? I don't want to be looking over my back because some dipshit mod had a bad take. This is generating way too much analytical data on users. Communities don't need empowered super mods treating users like numbers on a spreadsheet. Lemmy for sure has problems (ml) but this isn't the answer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy admins can already see who downvotes what, I'm sure they already ban accounts who systematically downvote their communities content

It's a tool. If some admins power trip, well report them on [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Mods can also see votes in communities they moderate, lemmy-ui just doesn't show the option (and no other client, to my knowledge, has the feature).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

It doesn't need to be the answer. It just needs to be an answer for certain use cases. Both platforms can easily coexist. That's the beauty of federation.

[–] ChilledPeppers 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

But wont you lose like 99% of the user base? Or is it cross compatible?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Hello from PieFed - yes it works.:-)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

PieFed communicates with Lemmy. Same content, different platform. That's one awesome thing about federation.

There is also mbin (fork of kbin), and Sublinks, which is API compatible with Lemmy so should be able to use Lemmy apps with it (from memory, this is what Beehaw are hoping to move to).