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[–] UsernameHere 27 points 1 month ago (83 children)

“Voters voted for the choice furthest to the right because they wanted the choice on the left to be more left”

[–] pjwestin 12 points 1 month ago (39 children)

Yes. People want a populous movement. In the absence of left-wing populism (like socialist reforms), they will take right win populism (fascism).

[–] UsernameHere 6 points 1 month ago (38 children)

Democrats campaigned on making billionaires pay their fair share and addressing health care and student loans etc so socialist reforms. But the majority of voters were still convinced that that would make them worse off unfortunately.

[–] BlueMacaw 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That might have been in the footnotes of the DNC platform, but Kamala said none of that.

Here's a quote from Stephen Semler's newsletter:

For example, in this video clip, Stephen Colbert asks Harris, "Under a Harris administration, what would the major changes be and what would stay the same?" Harris replies: "Sure. Well, I mean, I'm obviously not Joe Biden. So that would be one change. But also I think it's important to say with 28 days to go, I'm not Donald Trump."

First, that doesn’t answer the question. Second, that description applies to literally everyone except for Joe Biden and Donald Trump. This is the quality of candidate you get when the Democratic Party chooses one for you.

https://www.stephensemler.com/p/a-couple-charts-to-explain-a-harris?publication_id=37298&post_id=151256232>>

[–] UsernameHere 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When it was being discussed who would replace Biden before he dropped out, many black abd female voters were pissed it was even up for discussion considering Kamala was the vice president. They saw it as her job to be next in line after Biden.

If someone else was chosen all those votes would’ve been lost and we would still have lost.

[–] BlueMacaw 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Since we lost anyways, I would have preferred to have an actual primary process, even if it was a very abbreviated one at the convention. Destroying democracy to save democracy never made sense to me.

[–] UsernameHere -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s easy to say that in hindsight.

[–] BlueMacaw 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many many many people were saying that the entire time. It has been clear to anyone not drinking the Biden kool aid that he hasn't been as lucid as he used to be, and many people said that if we had debates and Joe Biden won, at least we would have given others a voice. Anyone who supported Marianne Williamson, Dean Phillips, etc. especially was infuriated there were no debates, just a coronation. Many people were mad that certain states even canceled the democratic primaries. When Biden dropped out, it would have not been that strange for several prominent democrats to throw their hats in the ring - Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, etc. and at least have some sort of debate at the convention.

[–] UsernameHere -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many people were saying huh? Were they some of the best people? Why does that sound familiar?

[–] BlueMacaw 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don't do anything but glue yourself to CNN, then yes, you wouldn't have heard about any complaints.

How about many articles in The Nation - here's one quoting Ezra Klein calling for a contested convention. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-convention-ezra-klein/

How about a Newsweek article talking about how even MTG is laughing at the democratic party: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-do-democrats-plan-cancel-presidential-primary-debates-1796585

How about a really pissed off Dean Phillips in Politico re Florida canceling the primary? https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/30/florida-democrats-dean-phillips-election-00129403

Breaking Points has also done many shows on Dem party failures in the primaries. Here's an interview with Marianne Williamson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AfS7xnz_M4

[–] UsernameHere -3 points 1 month ago

None of those people outnumber all of the black/female voters that wanted Kamala so their opinions result in a net loss of votes.

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