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that's not what they mean
they mean "America sending troops over to a foreign country to 'save them', and then sending more, and OOPS now we've started a war there and we're already racking up those war crimes, and now the civilians there literally see us as goddamn evil and they're not even wrong to think that way because it turns out that we were basically there mainly doing heinous shit so that the nation was in a position where they kinda had to let us have a share of their resources so rich old white men back home can add an extra 3 zeroes to their bank accounts" was something we literally did for the last 2 decades
it is very much the one of the likely historical outcomes of "now the US gets militarily involved"
There are only 2 possibilities here:
Russia retains any level of reason and sanity and they back down immediately out of utter and complete pants-shitting terror. They're getting worked by ukraine, the US is roughly 100 years further ahead in military technology than either Russia or Ukraine.
They're insane, in which case nothing matters, gear up.
In either case, si vis pacem, Para bellum.
It feels like you're treating the US as a force of nature here, rather than like a nation who is acting in this way because it's convenient and in their interests
like the US could just like go "hey, please do peace talks, a lot of people are dying", but they're not doing that
and if the US really is that more powerful than Russia as you say, then they could rather easily start facilitating the above but once again they are not doing that
Russia can talk peace at any time, they just have to leave ukraine.
Also, we are not a force of nature.
We are the storm.
what an embarrassing comment
this isn't a fucking action movie, people are literally being killed and our military presence will make that so much worse; this isn't the time for us to boost our egos
This isn't a movie.
This is Manchuria circa 1935.
We are saving lives, many, many lives, like I'm sure the Chinese would have wished we'd done back then.
We are buying peace at the cost of Russian dead, because that is the only price that can be paid for it.
like I'm not actually communist in any meaningful sense, but they have a point about how brainwashed us Americans are pertaining the military and foreign interventions
like again, it's not an action movie; we're not fucking heroes in a Saturday morning cartoon; we're a country sending human beings to kill other human beings for almost certainly selfish reasons
War's not a fucking game, and the US isn't "the savior of the world" either; it's a country that has interests and does things to obtain or sustain those interests, and some of those things include invading other countries (like we did with Vietnam and Korea and Laos and especially the Middle East) and subverting the governments of other countries ( pick a South American country )
like if you can't understand that nations mainly work in their own interests and that the US has a very old pattern of invading and subverting other countries for that interest as opposed to the countries' own interests for itself, then you basically won't actually be able to understand any kind of foreign policy, especially that of the US's
it's just baffling that you can genuinely think that the US is a hero in any military situation, after what we've done for decades
I care about absolutely none of this.
Russia invaded another country and broke the peace of Europe without any provocation.
I have good Ukrainian friends.
Invaders must die.
We need to make sure every Russian and Chinese soldier knows breaking the peace is suicide, and the choice between going to war and Gaddafi-ing your own leader isn't a choice, you shove that bayonet in till they look like they're wearing a picklehaube.
We will have peace when soldiers are too terrified to dare kill.
Putin dared break the peace of Europe, for that he MUST be tortured to death on twitch.
okay, there's no getting to you then
also I didn't mention China
Btw, at no point did I ever say the US was great or good.
I said we are absolutely omnipotent-level terrifying.
I don't want the US to give Ukraine F-16s.
I want them to give F-15Es with full strike loadout, F-35s, F-22s, stealth reapers, tactical tomahawks.
I want to see the Ukrainian army march on Moscow in full parade formation.
I want to watch the Russian people set Putin on fire, slowly, for days, as payback for what he brought upon them.
The people of a country need to stop their country from doing evil, so Russia making an example of Putin could well bring peace for decades.