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UK to lend Ukraine an additional £2.26bn for weapons to fight Russia (www.theguardian.com)

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Britain is to lend Ukraine an additional £2.26bn and allow Kyiv to spend the money on weapons to fight off the Russian invasion as part of a wider $50bn (£38.5bn) loan programme expected to be confirmed by G7 members later this week.

The loans will be repaid using interest generated by the $300bn of frozen Russian assets held in the west, with the extra funds promised as the US heads towards a presidential election where support for Ukraine is a divisive issue.

Rachel Reeves said: “The profits being made on those assets aren’t being kept for Russia to use in the future. They’re now being used to fund Ukraine.” The chancellor made the announcement alongside the defence secretary, John Healey.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

So your point is that Ukraine is committing genocide by forcing their citizens to defend their country?

Zelensky's regime is commiting genocide by kidnapping people on the streets and sending them to die, yes.

And somehow they are the bad guys, not the imperialist Russians?

As far as I know, real life doesn't work like cartoons where there is a good guy and a bad guy. I never said that Putin is a good guy, I even explicitly said otherwise (for those who like to go to through my comments). And yet, whenever I mention Zelensky exterminating Ukrainians somebody must say "BuT tHEn You SuPPoRt RuSSiA!!"...

Maybe I misunderstood, but if not, that is some impressive mental gymnastics.

Way less impressive than funding a war, exterminating people, mass imprisoning them and so on, and still still somehow claim that you support them...

[–] Hemuphone -3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

So the argument is basically same as saying that the americans committed genocide during vietnam war because of the draft. I think it's extremely common practice to require citizens to defend your country during an invasion. I would argue this is done in most wars.

Sure, it's not great, but I don't think Zelensky is doing anything unexpected. Any European country would likely do more or less the same if Russia invaded.

As a European that's what I expect our government to do during an invasion. I would not call that genocide even if I'm sent to die.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

do you really believe america was defending itself in the Vietnam war? is that an actual opinion that you hold?

[–] Hemuphone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, obviously not, USA was definitely not defending itself. I was just pointing out that it would be ridiculous to say that USA was committing genocide on its own citizens when they sent them to war.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well in the us case and precisely Vietnam, it would not be difficult to show that blacks were disproportionately drafted. The treatment of blacks could then be argued to be intentional. In the case of Ukraine I agree with the mass murder wording, for genocide I think that intent needs to be shown. So zelensky would need to intentionally kill the citizens(as in that being the goal), instead of 'just' using them like cheap meat for the machine.

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