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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Aren't doves actually just white pigeons anyway?

[–] makyo 27 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Here's the thing. You said a "dove is a pigeon."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies pigeons, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls pigeons doves. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "pigeon family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Columbidae, which includes things from pigeons to doves to pigeons.

So your reasoning for calling a pigeons a dove is because random people "call the white ones doves?" Let's get gulls and pelicans in there, then, too.

Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A dove is a dove and a member of the pigeon family. But that's not what you said. You said a dove is a pigeon, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the pigeon family pigeons, which means you'd call doves, pigeons, and other birds pigeons, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

But I'm not wrong, I'm right. A dove is a pigeon.

[–] MotoAsh -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

No, a dove is not 'a' pigeon. A dove is in the pigeon family. Your cousin is NOT your brother ... because they're not your brother.

They may have been condescending (quoting a mildly modified copypasta they linked), but the explanation is very clear until the end. Do not insult knowledge with obstinance simply because you were called wrong. That is beyond pathetic and insults knowledge itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're basically the same thing, though

[–] MotoAsh 1 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

But rock doves and feral pigeons are the exact same species, Columba livia. QED.

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