this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2024
146 points (95.6% liked)

Firefox

18006 readers
267 users here now

A place to discuss the news and latest developments on the open-source browser Firefox

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

EDIT

This issue may be due to WebRTC being disabled. WebRTC is required for google meet, but also used for fingerprinting.

Recently I tried to join a google meet meeting in my hardened config firefox browser, and google meet didn't let me in at all. I was confused as hell. I could join only on my phone, but not any of my three computers I tested it on. I then went into a virtual machine with regular firefox(also linux), and the meeting works. The only conclusion I can draw is that google is so desperate for my data that they refuse to service me unless I give them this.

This post intends to inform people that issues with google products may be related to their valid wish for security, and the actions they have taken in pursuit of that. The post also intends to inform people of a solution. The two apps that I recommend are:

  • Jitsi Meet: This is self hosted, but you can also make a meeting with jitsi's own servers. A excellent alternative to google meet, the only reason I didn't use it is that I had issues the day I needed to meet, and had to fall back to google meet instead.
  • Jami: This is a distributed-network chat and video calling app which is open source and a GNU package. It does require an app, but is free and open source and will serve your purpose.****_________
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] MimicJar 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

in my hardened config firefox browser

The only conclusion I can draw is that google is so desperate for my data that they refuse to service me unless I give them this.

What is your config? It's possible you've got things configured in an unexpected, but valid, way that causes Google Meet to fail.

How does it fail? Are there errors in the console?

You're immediately assuming malice, but it may simply be a mistake (Google's or yours).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I am pretty sure no one at Google tests outside Blink & only gets around to it when there are bug reports

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
accessibility.typeaheadfind.flashBar	0	
app.normandy.api_url		
app.normandy.enabled	false	
app.normandy.first_run	false	
app.normandy.migrationsApplied	12	
app.normandy.user_id	[REDACTED]	
app.shield.optoutstudies.enabled	false	
app.update.auto	false	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.addon-background-update-timer	1729383854	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.browser-cleanup-thumbnails	1729405780	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.recipe-client-addon-run	1725149805	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.region-update-timer	1725149805	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.services-settings-poll-changes	1729383854	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.telemetry_modules_ping	1725149834	
app.update.lastUpdateTime.xpi-signature-verification	1729383854	
beacon.enabled	false	
breakpad.reportURL		
browser.aboutConfig.showWarning	false	
browser.bookmarks.editDialog.confirmationHintShowCount	2	
browser.bookmarks.restore_default_bookmarks	false	
browser.cache.disk.enable	false	
browser.contentblocking.category	strict	
browser.contentblocking.report.hide_vpn_banner	true	
browser.contentblocking.report.show_mobile_app	false	
browser.contextual-services.contextId	{[REDACTED]}	
browser.discovery.enabled	false	
browser.discovery.sites		
browser.download.manager.addToRecentDocs	false	
browser.download.panel.shown	true	
browser.download.viewableInternally.typeWasRegistered.avif	true	
browser.download.viewableInternally.typeWasRegistered.webp	true	
browser.engagement.ctrlTab.has-used	true	
browser.engagement.downloads-button.has-used	true	
browser.firefox-view.feature-tour	{"screen":"","complete":true}	
browser.firefox-view.view-count	1	
browser.formfill.enable	false	
browser.helperApps.deleteTempFileOnExit	false	
browser.laterrun.bookkeeping.profileCreationTime	1725149774	
browser.laterrun.bookkeeping.sessionCount	51	
browser.migration.version	148	
browser.newtab.preload	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.asrouter.userprefs.cfr.addons	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.default.sites		
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.discoverystream.rec.impressions	{"5721678629791706":1725149797489,"1570241288460906":1725149797490,"1651507772597691":1725149797491}	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.discoverystreamfeed	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.section.topstories	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.telemetry	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.impressionId	{[REDACTED]}	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.section.highlights.includePocket	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.telemetry	false	
browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.telemetry.structuredIngestion.endpoint		
browser.newtabpage.blocked	[REDACTED]	
browser.newtabpage.enabled	false	
browser.newtabpage.storageVersion	1	
browser.pageActions.persistedActions	{"ids":["bookmark"],"idsInUrlbar":["bookmark"],"idsInUrlbarPreProton":[],"version":1}	
browser.pagethumbnails.capturing_disabled	true	
browser.pagethumbnails.storage_version	3	
browser.ping-centre.telemetry	false	
browser.places.speculativeConnect.enabled	false	
browser.protections_panel.infoMessage.seen	true	
browser.proton.toolbar.version	3	
browser.region.network.url		
browser.region.update.enabled	false	
browser.region.update.updated	1725149776	
browser.rights.3.shown	true	
browser.safebrowsing.allowOverride	false	
browser.safebrowsing.blockedURIs.enabled	false	
browser.safebrowsing.downloads.enabled	false	
browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.block_potentially_unwanted	false	
browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.block_uncommon	false	
browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.enabled	false	
browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.url		
browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled	false	
browser.safebrowsing.phishing.enabled	false	
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.advisoryName	Google Safe Browsing(Disabled)	
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.advisoryURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.gethashURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.reportMalwareMistakeURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.reportPhishMistakeURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.reportURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.updateURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.advisoryName	Google Safe Browsing4(Disabled	
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.advisoryURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.dataSharingURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.gethashURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.lastupdatetime	1725149785253	
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.nextupdatetime	1725151601253	
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.reportMalwareMistakeURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.reportPhishMistakeURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.reportURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.updateURL		
browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.lastupdatetime	1729405756174	
browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.nextupdatetime	1729427356174	
browser.search.region	US	
browser.search.suggest.enabled	false	
browser.sessionstore.privacy_level	2	
browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash	false	
browser.sessionstore.upgradeBackup.latestBuildID	20241008174909	
browser.shell.shortcutFavicons	false	
browser.startup.couldRestoreSession.count	2	
browser.startup.homepage_override.buildID	20241008174909	
browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone	128.3.1	
browser.startup.lastColdStartupCheck	1729405749	
browser.startup.upgradeDialog.version	106	
browser.tabs.crashReporting.sendReport	false	
browser.tabs.firefox-view.ui-state.recently-closed-tabs.open	true	
browser.tabs.firefox-view.ui-state.tab-pickup.open	false	
browser.translations.panelShown	true	
browser.uiCustomization.state	{"placements":{"widget-overflow-fixed-list":[],"unified-extensions-area":[],"nav-bar":["back-button","forward-button","stop-reload-button","customizableui-special-spring1","urlbar-container","customizableui-special-spring2","save-to-pocket-button","downloads-button","fxa-toolbar-menu-button","unified-extensions-button","ublock0_raymondhill_net-browser-action","reset-pbm-toolbar-button"],"toolbar-menubar":["menubar-items"],"TabsToolbar":["firefox-view-button","tabbrowser-tabs","new-tab-button","alltabs-button"],"PersonalToolbar":["personal-bookmarks"]},"seen":["save-to-pocket-button","developer-button","ublock0_raymondhill_net-browser-action"],"dirtyAreaCache":["nav-bar","PersonalToolbar","toolbar-menubar","TabsToolbar"],"currentVersion":20,"newElementCount":2}	
browser.urlbar.placeholderName	DuckDuckGo	
browser.urlbar.placeholderName.private	DuckDuckGo	
browser.urlbar.quicksuggest.enabled	false	
browser.urlbar.quicksuggest.migrationVersion	2	
browser.urlbar.quicksuggest.scenario	offline	
browser.urlbar.speculativeConnect.enabled	false	
browser.urlbar.suggest.quicksuggest.nonsponsored	false	
browser.urlbar.suggest.quicksuggest.sponsored	false	
browser.urlbar.tipShownCount.searchTip_onboard	4	
browser.urlbar.trimURLs	false	
browser.xul.error_pages.expert_bad_cert	true	
captivedetect.canonicalURL		
datareporting.healthreport.infoURL		
datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled	false	
datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionPolicyAcceptedVersion	2	
datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionPolicyNotifiedTime	1725149776032	
devtools.everOpened	true	
devtools.toolbox.footer.height	310	
devtools.toolbox.host	right	
devtools.toolbox.previousHost	bottom	
devtools.toolsidebar-height.inspector	170	
devtools.toolsidebar-width.inspector	700	
devtools.toolsidebar-width.inspector.splitsidebar	250	
distribution.iniFile.exists.appversion	128.3.1	
distribution.iniFile.exists.value	false	
doh-rollout.disable-heuristics	true	
doh-rollout.doneFirstRun	true	
doh-rollout.home-region	US	
doh-rollout.uri	https://mozilla.cloudflare-dns.com/dns-query	
dom.forms.autocomplete.formautofill	true	
dom.popup_allowed_events	click dblclick mousedown pointerdown	
dom.push.userAgentID	[REDACTED]	
dom.security.https_only_mode	true	
dom.security.https_only_mode_ever_enabled	true	
dom.security.https_only_mode_send_http_background_request	false	
extensions.activeThemeID	[email protected]	
extensions.blocklist.pingCountVersion	-1	
extensions.databaseSchema	36	
extensions.enabledscopes	5
extensions.formautofill.addresses.enabled	false	
extensions.formautofill.available	off	
extensions.formautofill.creditCards.available	false	
extensions.formautofill.creditCards.enabled	false	
extensions.formautofill.creditCards.reauth.optout	[REDACTED]	
extensions.getAddons.cache.lastUpdate	1729383854	
extensions.getAddons.databaseSchema	6	
extensions.getaddons.showpane	true	
extensions.htmlaboutaddons.recommendations.enabled	false	
extensions.lastAppBuildId	20241008174909	
extensions.lastAppVersion	128.3.1	
extensions.lastPlatformVersion	128.3.1	
extensions.pendingOperations	false	
extensions.pictureinpicture.enable_picture_in_picture_overrides	true	
extensions.pocket.enabled	false	
extensions.postDownloadThirdPartyPrompt	false	
extensions.quarantinedDomains.list	autoatendimento.bb.com.br,ibpf.sicredi.com.br,ibpj.sicredi.com.br,internetbanking.caixa.gov.br,www.ib12.bradesco.com.br,www2.bancobrasil.com.br	
extensions.screenshots.disabled	true	
extensions.systemAddonSet	{"schema":1,"directory":"{[REDACTED]}","addons":{"[email protected]":{"version":"133.2.20241017.92612"}}}	
extensions.ui.dictionary.hidden	true	
extensions.ui.lastCategory	addons://discover/	
extensions.ui.locale.hidden	true	
extensions.ui.sitepermission.hidden	true	
extensions.webcompat.enable_shims	true	
extensions.webcompat.perform_injections	true	
extensions.webcompat.perform_ua_overrides	true	
extensions.webextensions.ExtensionStorageIDB.migrated.screenshots@mozilla.org	true	
extensions.webextensions.ExtensionStorageIDB.migrated.uBlock0@raymondhill.net	true

Part 1

[–] MimicJar 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So first off I appreciate your "about:config" dump, that is helpful.

However, having ONLY that dump makes it difficult to actually diagnose your issue. It would be helpful to have an idea of what fails.

  • Are you only unable to join meetings?
  • Can you create meetings?
  • Only audio?
  • Only video?
  • Are there any error messages?
  • Are there any messages at all on screen?
  • Are there errors in the JavaScript console?
  • If there are a lot, can you compare it against the working vanilla version and see where the errors are unique/start to differ?
  • When did this issue start to happen? (It worked a week ago, but not now?)
  • Is your config based off a guide online?

Second, you have "media.peerconnection.enabled" set to "false". That setting controls WebRTC. Google Meet uses WebRTC. If I set that value to false my Google Meet meetings fail to load, it just stays stuck at the joining meeting phase.

So maybe that's your culprit. Of course I would expect if you've had this set for a long time I would have expected it to fail for a long time. Also both alternatives you mentioned use WebRTC, so I would expect those to fail with that setting disabled.

Of course if it used to work with that disabled then it's possible Google Meet changed and had a fallback no longer in use or something else.

As an aside, I understand that WebRTC has (had?) issues leaking local IP addresses while connected to a VPN. So I understand why you might have it disabled.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The webrtc setting is probably it. IMO it's still google's fault for not providing a meaningful error message. It just stuck on the loading screen, assuring me that I would enter the meeting but I just didn't. I don't like webrtc because it can be used for fingerprinting, so I will probably use jami in the future. Thank you very much for diagnosing my problem!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains		
extensions.webextensions.uuids	{"[email protected]":"1cf43bc6-c83e-4df3-a8d2-4038fe816116","[email protected]":"d820dd36-7976-4480-938c-d16b1e655d48","[email protected]":"c5c295b2-c7ae-43ca-b011-cf2335845c51","[email protected]":"7dec689b-6735-4d50-8320-42358545e131","[email protected]":"6eed24ef-4fed-499f-913e-ef3557628934","[email protected]":"e2130512-1026-4ea0-a0ab-75347897ece0","[email protected]":"f79cc98d-3c13-42d4-8428-bb4d904aac3e","[email protected]":"03fee1c7-accd-4276-9798-698f7a16f8c2","[email protected]":"263c52b0-3dd3-40e1-a28f-96ca794755e9","[email protected]":"76b29622-02c9-4c0b-9291-0b86a3d45d4b","[email protected]":"f24a2e9c-26ec-4114-b7c6-5223dca5fca9","[email protected]":"eeb096d0-d4a3-4e77-85c3-0643308710b1","[email protected]":"b5e0c41a-3c79-41bf-8a09-b717abcd054e","[email protected]":"9e988b15-dbad-4de5-be05-f46bbc94f24f"}	
gecko.handlerService.defaultHandlersVersion	1	
geo.provider.use_geoclue	false	
idle.lastDailyNotification	1729360598	
javascript.use_us_english_locale	true	
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.abi	x86_64-gcc3	
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.hashValue	[REDACTED]	
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastDownload	[REDACTED]
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastDownloadFailReason	[REDACTED]
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastDownloadFailed	[REDACTED]	
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastInstallStart	[REDACTED]	
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastUpdate	[REDACTED]	
media.gmp-gmpopenh264.version	2.3.2	
media.gmp-manager.buildID	20241008174909	
media.gmp-manager.lastCheck	1729383901	
media.gmp-manager.lastEmptyCheck	1729383901	
media.gmp.storage.version.observed	1	
media.peerconnection.enabled	false	
media.peerconnection.ice.default_address_only	true	
media.peerconnection.ice.no_host	true	
media.peerconnection.ice.proxy_only_if_behind_proxy	true	
media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.video-toggle.first-seen-secs	1725165077	
media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.video-toggle.has-used	true	
network.IDN_show_punycode	true	
network.auth.subresource-http-auth-allow	1	
network.captive-portal-service.enabled	false	
network.connectivity-service.enabled	false	
network.dns.disableIPv6	true	
network.dns.disablePrefetch	true	
network.file.disable_unc_paths	true	
network.gio.supported-protocols		
network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy	2	
network.http.referer.disallowCrossSiteRelaxingDefault.top_navigation	true	
network.http.speculative-parallel-limit	0	
network.predictor.enabled	false	
network.prefetch-next	false	
network.trr.custom_uri	https://dns.mullvad.net/dns-query	
network.trr.mode	2	
network.trr.uri	https://dns.mullvad.net/dns-query	
pdfjs.enableScripting	false	
pdfjs.enabledCache.state	true	
pdfjs.migrationVersion	2	
permissions.manager.defaultsUrl		
places.database.lastMaintenance	1728844120	
privacy.annotate_channels.strict_list.enabled	true	
privacy.bounceTrackingProtection.hasMigratedUserActivationData	true	
privacy.fingerprintingProtection	true	
privacy.history.custom	true	
privacy.partition.always_partition_third_party_non_cookie_storage.exempt_sessionstorage	true	
privacy.purge_trackers.date_in_cookie_database	0	
privacy.purge_trackers.last_purge	1729360598375	
privacy.query_stripping.enabled	true	
privacy.query_stripping.enabled.pbmode	true	
privacy.resistFingerprinting	true	
privacy.resistFingerprinting.block_mozAddonManager	true	
privacy.sanitize.clearOnShutdown.hasMigratedToNewPrefs2	true	
privacy.sanitize.pending	[{"id":"newtab-container","itemsToClear":[],"options":{}}]	
privacy.trackingprotection.emailtracking.enabled	true	
privacy.trackingprotection.enabled	true	
privacy.trackingprotection.socialtracking.enabled	true	
privacy.userContext.enabled	true	
privacy.window.maxInnerHeight	900	
privacy.window.maxInnerWidth	1600	
security.OCSP.require	true	
security.cert_pinning.enforcement_level	2	
security.pki.crlite_mode	2	
security.remote_settings.crlite_filters.enabled	true	
security.sandbox.content.tempDirSuffix	[REDACTED]	
security.tls.enable_0rtt_data	false	
services.settings.blocklists.addons-bloomfilters.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.blocklists.gfx.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.clock_skew_seconds	-1	
services.settings.last_etag	"1729393030056"	
services.settings.last_update_seconds	1729405757	
services.settings.main.addons-manager-settings.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.anti-tracking-url-decoration.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.cfr.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.cookie-banner-rules-list.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.devtools-compatibility-browsers.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.devtools-devices.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.doh-config.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.doh-providers.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.fingerprinting-protection-overrides.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.fxmonitor-breaches.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.hijack-blocklists.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.language-dictionaries.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.message-groups.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.normandy-recipes-capabilities.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.partitioning-exempt-urls.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.password-recipes.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.password-rules.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.pioneer-study-addons-v1.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.public-suffix-list.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.query-stripping.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.quicksuggest.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-config-icons.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-config-overrides-v2.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-config-overrides.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-config-v2.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-config.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-default-override-allowlist.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.search-telemetry-v2.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.sites-classification.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.tippytop.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.top-sites.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.translations-models.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.translations-wasm.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.url-classifier-skip-urls.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.websites-with-shared-credential-backends.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.main.whats-new-panel.last_check	1729405757	
services.settings.security-state.cert-revocations.last_check	1729126810	
services.settings.security-state.intermediates.last_check	1729126810	
services.settings.security-state.onecrl.last_check	1729126810	
services.sync.clients.lastSync	0	
services.sync.declinedEngines		
services.sync.engine.addresses.available	true	
services.sync.globalScore	0	
services.sync.nextSync	0	
services.sync.prefs.sync.app.shield.optoutstudies.enabled	false	
services.sync.prefs.sync.browser.formfill.enable	false	
services.sync.prefs.sync.signon.rememberSignons	false	
signon.autofillForms	false	
signon.formlessCapture.enabled	false	
signon.management.page.os-auth.optout	[REDACTED]	
signon.rememberSignons	false	
storage.vacuum.last.content-prefs.sqlite	1728004322	
storage.vacuum.last.index	2	
storage.vacuum.last.places.sqlite	1727815054	
toolkit.coverage.endpoint.base		
toolkit.coverage.opt-out	true	
toolkit.startup.last_success	1729405748	
toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled	false	
toolkit.telemetry.bhrPing.enabled	false	
toolkit.telemetry.cachedClientID	[REDACTED]	
toolkit.telemetry.firstShutdownPing.enabled	false	
toolkit.telemetry.newProfilePing.enabled	false	
toolkit.telemetry.pioneer-new-studies-available	true	
toolkit.telemetry.previousBuildID	20240801134912	
toolkit.telemetry.reportingpolicy.firstRun	false	
toolkit.telemetry.server	data:,	
toolkit.telemetry.shutdownPingSender.enabled	false	
toolkit.telemetry.unified	false	
toolkit.telemetry.updatePing.enabled	false	
trailhead.firstrun.didSeeAboutWelcome	true	
webgl.disabled	true	

Part 2

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Great. Your job is to take standard Firefox and switch one of these settings on at a time, testing Google meet until you find which one is the culprit. Good luck! 👍