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So, for example, the Tiananmen square thing. Every once in a while, you see stormfront people go crazy on it, saying shit like "fuck the CCP, can't censor me". I had been a reddit user for a long time before I moved on to here so I used to see those "awareness" posts all the time, though I didn't pay any attention to it much. But now that I've been on lemmygrad for a while, it seems to me that things didn't happen like stormfront made it out to be? The guy in the picture didn't get harmed? There was no massacre? I'm not knowledgeable about any of this, so if anyone have reputable sources, please point me to it. I'm really curious how you get millions of people to believe in something that didn't happen at all.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What about the Tiananmen square massacre?

Tiananmen Square "Massacre", A Propaganda Hoax

It wasn't a massacre of peaceful students, but a skirmish between PLA soldiers and armed detachments from the pro-capitalist / free market reform movement. The protest movement, as evidenced by their own accounts, called for market liberalisation, and free market reforms, rallying around a replica of the statue of liberty. After the movement had been building in the square for seven weeks, unarmed soldiers were sent in to disperse the protesters, after which many soldiers were beaten to death, torched, and lynched. The New York Times death count went from 2600, to many thousands, to 8000, to tens of thousands. In reality only around ~200 (including soldiers) were killed or trampled, in smaller clashes outside the square. The on-scene New York Times reporter disavowed the article, especially about machine-gunning of protesters. A wikileaks cable from a US ambassador to the US state department, confirmed that no killings or machine-gunnings took place in the square.

A British Lie

Deng XiaoPing was ill at the time, and the CIA had an inside man inside the party, Zhao Ziyang, dubbed China's Gorbachev, who promised to open the door to market liberalisation if the protest movement had succeeded, like those of Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Georgia, and the USSR.

The protest movement followed the line of "color revolutions", in which the US tried to destabilize and create counter-revolutions in eastern Europe and Latin America after the fall of the USSR. The strategy was to stir division within and without, by inundating the media with news of massacres of "peaceful", pro-capitalist / market reformers.

The defeat of a counter revolution in China

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20200118135159/https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/c2b7ma/china_megathread_everything_a_leftist_must_know/

https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist

https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/


I’m really curious how you get millions of people to believe in something that didn’t happen at all.

Why? Any liberal or reactionary can easily imagine millions of people believing in falsities by virtue of the fact that opposites on the liberal political spectrum exist.

I mean come on. Sit down and think a little. Humans have been led to believe all kinds of things that are false and many still do. Mythologies weren't stories everyone was in on, they were once accepted truths in many cases.

How could millions of Americans believe Iraq had chemical weapons when it didn't? How could millions of Americans believe JFK was killed by a lone gunman with no meaningful connections?

I mean this is just simple propaganda and mass communication. Look how many people are seething over the Barenstein bears and convinced reality was changed Matrix style because they remember it being spelled differently and other Mandela effect stuff (named itself after the fact a ton of people for some reason believe they heard in the news that Nelson Mandela died in prison, how can they all think that when it's false).

Americans will readily accept North Korea is a nation of brainwashed drones or Russians are subhumans eagerly doing human wave tactics yet the moment they're asked to consider the contrary, the inverse might be the case their brains malfunction, they can't think straight, they can't conceive of it, it's unreasonable.

Free your mind. Expand the possibilities. Accept the empire pushes projection of its own atrocities both past and craved in the present onto enemies.

[–] kmkz_ninja 2 points 1 year ago

A skirmish between students and the government where the government brought tanks.