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Net-zero emission goals went out the window with AI.

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[–] kitnaht 45 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

In this world, we obey the law of thermodynamics. I'd love to know how this 3 bottles of water is "consumed". Because more than likely, the water is simply being used for cooling, which doesn't consume it at all, it just makes it warmer.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the article is disingenuous at best. There are many things wrong with generative AI, but this is just a lousy approach.

If I make a PC, put in a water cooling loop, and use it to run an LLM - sure, water is circulating, but that water isn't just vanishing lol.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My friend, you are naive at best if you think AI data centers are using closed loop water cooling. Look up evaporative cooling towers. It's "consumed" in the sense that it is evaporated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I specifically avoided saying they did because I wasn't knowledgeable on the topic. But I agree, I could equally be accused of being disingenuous by phrasing it in a way that could lead people to assume they use closed loops.

I did look those up, and while evaporation cooling isn't the only method used, it also doesn't evaporate all the water each pass, only a portion of it (granted "a portion" is all I found at a quick look, which isn't actually useful).

I do agree though, the water usage is excessive, and when though that water only "changes forms", it's still removes it from a water source and only some of it may make its way back in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

and it’s still absolute crap… the heat produced by 100 words of GPT inference is negligible - it CERTAINLY doesn’t take 3L of water evaporating to cool it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Do you have a study to publish? Because they do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

It consumes the resource of "purified, available water" which is consumed as it is no longer purified or unavailable (if evaporated). The same way nothing ever "consumes" energy, it just makes it unusable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

The water simply vanishes, consumed by the AI's ever growing need for H Y D R A T I O N. /s