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[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 1 month ago (13 children)

And let's see who the ASPI is since you didn't really go into that:

In February 2020, Australian Labor Party Senator Kim Carr described the ASPI as "hawks intent on fighting a new cold war."[29][30] Former Foreign Minister Bob Carr (no relation) said the ASPI provides a "one-sided, pro-American view of the world" and criticised the group for taking what he claimed was almost $450,000 from the U.S. State Department, to track Australian universities with Chinese research collaborations, and "vilifying and denigrating Australian researchers and their work." Bob Carr's criticism of ASPI came after ASPI president Peter Jennings had raised questions about the donation of $1.8 million by a Chinese billionaire to a group related to Carr.[31][32] ASPI replied that it "doesn't have an editorial line on China, but we have a very clear method for how we go about our research," and claimed that the true amount of State Department funding was less than half that amount stated by Carr.[33][34] ASPI was criticized by former diplomats John Menadue, Geoff Raby, and Bruce Haigh, with Haigh referring to ASPI as serving the foreign policy interests of the Liberal Party of Australia.[35][36] In July 2022 an article in The Economist described ASPI as "hawkish".[37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Strategic_Policy_Institute

Maybe that's why it's downvoted.

[–] Buffalox 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

Well to be fair, it turned out that we should probably have been more hawkish towards China sooner.
So it seems to me you are arguing against what you say you are arguing for.

Nothing in what you describe shows anything wrong with the report or the article.
There is little doubt that China is spending way more on research than most countries, and being a close #2 in the world on economy, that makes it very plausible that China is in fact #1 in research today, and if we do nothing, China is destined to surpass us.

Silencing that warning is doing work for China.

[–] FlyingSquid -3 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Nothing in what you describe shows anything wrong with the report or the article.

This is how people defend articles from Fox News.

When the source has been shown to be severely biased, it is enough to not trust the report on its face. You do not have to vet everything they do once you've already seen they can't be trusted.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whats the need to involve Fox News into this? We are dealing with science and technology matters. At least I expect something more academic in nature.

Anyway, is this not good enough source for. you? SJR - International Science Ranking

[–] FlyingSquid -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That would certainly be a better source, yes. There is absolutely no reason to ever trust a source that you already know isn't trustworthy. On anything.

However, that source does not really give a full picture.

For example, who is citing who? Are the Chinese papers all just citing each other? If so, that would be a pretty poor measurement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man... that's based on Scopus index. Do you even know what you're talking about.

[–] FlyingSquid -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you won't answer my questions, please at least refuse to do so without violating our civility rule as listed in the sidebar.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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