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    Framework 2880 x 1920 (new) display review (lemmy.world)
    submitted 3 months ago by jg1i to c/linuxmemes
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    Wuuttup. I'm here complaining again about Framework's Linux unfriendly display. The new one this time.

    https://frame.work/products/display-kit?v=FRANJF0001

    Old display, 2256 x 1504 (3:2)

    GNOME

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    100% scale + large text accessibility

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Most apps scale appropriately
    • Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty)

    125% scale

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    Plasma

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    125% scale + Apply scaling themselves

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Most apps scale appropriate
    • Some apps can’t scale themselves and look tiny (Picard)

    125% scale + Scaled by system

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    New display, 2880 x 1920 (3:2)

    GNOME

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    100% scale + large text accessibility

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Most apps scale appropriately
    • Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty)
    • Everything is tiny

    150% scale

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    Plasma

    100% scale

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Everything is tiny
    • Unusable

    150% scale + Apply scaling themselves

    • Nothing looks blurry
    • Some apps can’t scale themselves, but look a little better here? (Picard)

    150% scale + Scaled by system

    • Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty)

    200% scale

    • Everything is way too big
    • Unusable

    tl;dr

    In the old display, GNOME at 100% + large text was the best compromise. In the new display, Plasma at 150% + Apply scaling themselves is the best compromise.

    Interestingly, Picard scaling itself looks super tiny in the old display, but in the new display it looks... better. It's still not correctly scaled like native Wayland apps, but it's better.

    Warning

    If you can't stomach moving from GNOME to Plasma, then 🚨 DO NOT BUY THE NEW DISPLAY 🚨. The new display is worse for GNOME.

    Once again

    I am once again begging Framework to just give us a damn regular DPI display that works! Without workarounds. Without forcing users on specific DEs. Without forcing users to stop using their favorite apps. This new display has basically all of the flaws as the previous one.

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    [–] orangeboats 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    One of the issues at hand is that X11, the predecessor of Wayland, does not have a standardized way to tell applications what scale they should use. Applications on X11 get the scale from environment variables (completely bypassing X11), or from Xft.dpi, or by providing in-application settings, or they guess it using some unorthodox means, or simply don't scale at all. It's a huge mess overall.

    It is one of the more-or-less fundamentally unfixable parts of the protocol, since it wants everything to be on the same coordinate space (i.e. 1 pixel is 1 pixel everywhere, which is... quite unsuitable for modern systems.)

    Wayland does operate like how you say it and applications supporting Wayland will work properly in HiDPI environments.

    However a lot of people and applications are still on X11 due to various reasons.