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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (22 children)

anybody know how to distinguish Iranian, russian and Chinese disinfo efforts? They have different flavours and I see them out there, but don't know which is which. Sure, it is stoking division, but some lean more on anti-NATO, some on anti-israel and some on "western decadence" in general...

[–] simplymath 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (18 children)

well, for other security research, they often rely on things like timestamps (even state sponsored hackers have nights and weekends), typos that only make sense with certain keyboards, and who is targeted. For example, Russian keyboarss don't have the : symbol, so the :) emoji is usually typed as "))", which can be a dead giveaway that the hacker uses a a Slavic language keyboard.

However, let's not pretend for a second that disinformation and propaganda are only pushed by the listed countries. I'm old enough to remember when lies pushed by the Bush administration to the New York Times that were used to manufacturer public consent for the Iraq war.

Or how NATO promises they're supporting Ukraine out of the goodness of their hearts and that it has absolutely nothing to do with their abundant natural gas supplies that are currently being sold off to oil companies based in NATO countries. (Slava Ukraini, for the record, but fuck the oil companies).

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/naftogaz-held-talks-with-big-us-oil-companies-about-ukraine-energy-projects-ft-2023-04-21/

[–] zeephirus 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
[–] simplymath 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah. Agreed. I just thought the Iraq war would be a great example because it is now pretty universally recognized as a major fuck up in US policy that lead to the deaths of around a million people and the eventual rise of the Islamic State. I mean, if you look up civilian casualty numbers in Ukraine vs Iraq and account for the shorter timeline (at least, since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine), the US is worse than Russia by a wide margin. And let's not talk about Gaza or how to the US funnelled arms and funds to right wing nationalist groups in the former Yugoslavia before bombing civilian infrastructure in Belgrade in the name of preventing the genocide that the US helped to inflame and escalate. Hell, the shells that were dropped on Sarajevo in 1996 by the Serbian militias were given/sold to them by the US (during the cold war) and then they also sold arms to National separatist groups that are themselves accused of acts of genocide.

[–] simplymath 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

adding to this list:

Oil companies are definitely known for their altruism and opposition to dictators.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2023/04/24/us-energy-companies-could-help--ukraine-win-energy-freedom-and-neuter-russia/

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