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Fuck Israel and the Palestinians for being endlessly shitty to each other and dragging the whole gottdam world into their regional territorial dispute over and over for the better part of the last century. Fuck the whole lot of them together for perpetuating the most narcissistic conflict of the 20th century. Everyone's a victim and everyone's an aggressor and we are all supposed to dissect their long historical bullshit and form a moral opinion?! Fuck off and leave us all out of your fucking drama.
I voted you down because I think you are making a few errors here:
Not every Palestinian is Hamas. Hamas is a genocidal organization that wishes it could kill every Israeli, including civilians, but not every Palestinian believes in that. And not every Israeli agrees with IDF's genocide, although a disappointingly high proportion of them do.
IDF is clearly more successful in their genocide of Palestinians than Hamas is in their attempted genocide of Israelis.
Even if Hamas and IDF both were equal, a lot of the English-speaking Internet (including many Lemmings here) are Americans, and pay American taxes, and therefore have an obligation to stop the genocide funded by our taxes, through money and weapons the US government sends to Israel. Even if both sides were equally bad, we (I and other Americans) recognize the need to stop Israel, but have no obligation to stop Hamas because we aren't sending them the weapons in the first place.
Hamas is pretty careful to differentiate Jewish people, some of whom have lived in Palestine for millennia, and the Zionist project, which requires the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Ah, so what happened on October 7th?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
Or is what happened okay because only 'Zionists' were killed?
Yes, attacking armed settlers, each of which is a trained soldier when you're breaking out of a concentration camp is 100% OK.
You'd be crying for the poor german civilians killed during the Warsaw uprising. No questioning what they were doing around the warsaw ghetto.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%27im_music_festival_massacre
You are a monster, these where innocent people that were massacred and r*ped by HAMAS.
And the best response is that "It was actually the Jews, not HAMAS, that killed all those people" is pathetic.
It was between Hamas and the military objective. Israeli helicopters fired indiscriminately on the festival-goers so there's no high-ground here.
But yeah if you attend a music festival outside a concentration camp, you deserve what you get. In a just world, Zone Of Interest ends with the happy families outside the camp getting massacred by its inhabitants.
Hold you are both denying and justifying the rape and murder of people attending a music festival? Fucking wild.
Also, HAMAS did not know, but still they
Very interesting.
would you be upset if a Polish resistance trying to break out of their ghetto during NS-Germany gunned down a German celebration on a hill overlooking the ghetto? because ironically, you would be echoing the talking points of literal neo-nazis.
Says the guy that is condoning and celebrating the slaughter and rape of people because you think they were Jews.
You have to make up comparisons to actual victims because the reality of the situation is not in your favor.
Edit: Also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany
"British professor David Feldman suggests that these comparisons are often rhetorical tools without specific antisemitic intent. On the other hand, the Anti-Defamation League sees these comparisons as attempts at Holocaust trivialization.[3][4]"