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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some people are cautious of patriotism, and rightly so, because when carried out incorrectly it leads to fascism. On the other hand, patriotism is also a collectivist ideology, which is helpful in keeping liberalism out.

Whether or not patriotism hinders internationalism could be debated, but that's something to talk about AFTER socialism is more mainstream. I think that patriotism is to internationalism as socialism is to communism.

  • Before the material conditions for communism are met, socialism is the transitional phase, and the state (as an organization) led by a communist party is still required.
  • Before the psychological conditions for internationalism are met, patriotism can also be a transitional phase, and the state (as a concept) led by Marxist ideology is still required.

Patriots running the country is akin to proletariats running the country, but class identity comes before national identity, so more importance should be given to class. Patriotism focuses on the psychological, while socialism focuses on the material, and "material basis determines the superstructure", patriotism without socialism is a recipe for disaster, history has already taught us that.

(Now I'm vaguely aware of something called "patsoc", and I hope I didn't describe something like that.)

Note that capitalists can also be very global-minded, or rather very unpatriotic, as they actively avoid allegiance to any country to increase profits.