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Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.

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Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif Is Not a Trans Athlete (www.snopes.com)
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Bottom Line

The only purported evidence for the claim that Khelif is trans comes from an undisclosed test performed by an allegedly corrupt sports governing body that may have shown she has a DSD condition. The IOC has said Khelif meets its requirements for participation, with Adams, the IOC spokesman, specifically clarifying, "This is not a transgender issue."

Because Khelif is not transgender, claims attempting to make her victory against Carini an issue about transgender rights or "woke" politics are without basis.

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[–] acosmichippo 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The tests and results are confidential for a reason.

except where IBA is involved... hmm...

The whole idea of a conspiracy to affect one boxer in the woman’s category doesn’t make sense.

TWO boxers. please explain your reasoning, you can't just assert something like that with nothing to back it up. you're just being a denialist.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol! I'm not asserting you are. With no evidence might I add.

[–] acosmichippo 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IOC has evidence and banned them. That is evidence.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol. That's all you got? To justify using a conspiracy theory as your main argument?

[–] acosmichippo 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

and what evidence do you have that these women are transgender?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I never said they were transgender.

My sin for all of this vomit is that I dared to suggest that women's sport might have an issue with individuals with dsd and it's not sensible to pretend that it doesn't exist.

That's all.

[–] acosmichippo 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I never said they were transgender.

yet you are sure IBA can be believed when they say they are transegender. why is that?

My sin for all of this vomit is that I dared to suggest that women’s sport might have an issue with individuals with dsd and it’s not sensible to pretend that it doesn’t exist.

you literally asked, "Why start with some conspiracy theory?"

And I answered. IOC and US authorities have evidence that IBA can't be trusted to govern the sport, and IOC says these women are fit to compete.

I never said they were transgender.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Iba never said they were transgender.

I never said iba can be trusted. In fact I said the opposite. Many times.

You are claiming that it's a conspiracy against this one boxer. You have to come up with some proofs. Saying that they are generally untrustworthy is not evidence.

I never said they were unfit to compete. I even said they should since they competed before and none of the opponents were against it before.

[–] acosmichippo 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Okay let me do some more homework for you.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/02/nx-s1-5061280/olympic-womens-boxing-gender-imane-khelif-lin-yuting

“The current aggression against these two athletes is based entirely on this arbitrary decision, which was taken without any proper procedure — especially considering that these athletes had been competing in top-level competition for many years,” the International Olympic Committee said in a statement Thursday.

That's the IOC saying outright these women were unfairly disqualified by the IBA. Call it a conspiracy or whatever you want, the IOC said it straight up.

The IBA said in a statement at the time that Khelif and Lin had “failed to meet eligibility rules, following a test conducted by an independent laboratory.”

IBA President Umar Krevlev told Russian state media that it was “proven they have XY chromosomes” — which is seen in men, as opposed to the XX genotype of women.

This is the IBA president saying they were DSQ for being XY.

But let me guess none of this counts as evidence either. Maybe in the future try googling for 5 minutes instead of plugging your ears and screaming CONSPIRACY!!!! a million times.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You seriously posted that as your proof of conspiracy? None of that speaks of conspiracy.

No need for homework, I have read all the you shared a few times before. Thank you.

[–] acosmichippo 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You seriously posted that as your proof of conspiracy? None of that speaks of conspiracy.

you're the one calling it a conspiracy from the beginning, I was just trying not to get mired in a semantic debate. And you have done an excellent job of absolving yourself of any responsibility to do anything other than deny anything presented to you. you're a Denier.

The fact is IBA unfairly DSQed them for being XY. Use whatever term you want to describe that.

No need for homework, I have read all the you shared a few times before. Thank you.

except for those parts where you were blatantly wrong, like the IBA not saying the women were trans.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Calling me strange names won't make your argument any better.

Saying they found xy genes is not the same as calling them trans.

They might disqualified them fairly as well. We don't know what tests they did and what results they got.

You are claiming unproven things and asking me to disprove them.

[–] acosmichippo 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not calling you names, I'm saying you are displaying repeated behavior of denying literally everything presented in front of you.

Saying they found xy genes is not the same as calling them trans.

jfc, now we're splitting hairs huh? what would you call it then?

They might disqualified them fairly as well. We don’t know what tests they did and what results they got.

are you denying what the IOC, who have way more information on the issue than you or I, said?

You are claiming unproven things and asking me to disprove them.

I am claiming nothing other than the IBA has proven to be less trustworthy than the IOC.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

You are calling me names. A rather strange one, since I could also call you one. Everybody in every debate could do it.

We are absolutely not splitting hairs. That's a whole other ball game. It means they have a condition they are unaware of that gives them unfair advantage. I think it was phrased that way. This condition absolutely exists and there would be no surprise if that was the case.

Of course I'm not denying what they said, but they are not the alpha and omega of sport organizations. They went with their previous decision, choosing not to do any tests that might degrade the situation even more. Absolutely the correct decision.

If an organisation is considered less trustworthy, it doesn't mean it's always wrong with everything. That would be a logical phalacy.