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Safe Streets Rebel's protest comes after automatic vehicles were blamed for incidents including crashing into a bus and running over a dog. City officials in June said...

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (24 children)

That opinion puts a lot of blind faith in the companies developing self driving and their infinitely altruistic motives.

[–] donalonzo 13 points 2 years ago (11 children)

That's one way of strawmanning your way out of a discussion.

[–] rtxn 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

It's not a strawman argument, it is a fact. Without the ability to audit the entire codebase of self-driving cars, there's no way to know if the manufacturer had knowingly hidden something in the code that might have caused accidents and fatalities too numerous to recount, but too important to ignore, that were linked to a fault in self-driving technology.

I was actually trying to find an article I'd read about Tesla's self-driving software reverting to manual control moments before impact, but I was literally flooded by fatality reports.

[–] kep 11 points 2 years ago

Strawman arguments can be factual. The entire point is that you're responding to something that wasn't the argument. You're putting words in their mouth to defeat them instead of addressing their words at face value. It is the definition of a strawman argument.

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