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Whether you are doing this accidentally or purposefully, you are spreading Kremlin's disinformation. Ukraine already split with Russia in 1991. And it was its own independent country. It traded with other countries. The reason they wanted to join EU is to help improve its economy. Belonging to EU opens market for exports to other EU countries and also allows to get funding for improvements.
Also regarding provoking Russia I think you forgot that the west largely saw Russia positively (it was the central and Eastern Europe that did not trust them) until 2022. Despite what they did in 2008 despite 2014. Putin thought west will chicken out once again when he snatches Ukraine to rebuild USSR.
I never claimed that Ukraine wasn't split from Russia in 91, but they did have a couple of presidents that were very friendly with Putin. I don't understand how anything I've said can be considered "pro Russia".
You are saying that this was some kind of western plot of using Ukraine to provocate Russia.
In reality Ukraine is just a piece of a bigger plan, but a very important piece.
Since putin came to power, Russia started implementing a plan to rebuild USSR. It was mostly ignored by US and the rest of the west, but if you read it or basically everything was gong according to plan until 2022:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
There are some changes, for example I believe China replaced Japan in the plans (the book was published in 1997).
BTW: this interview was recorded before the full invasion, before Zalensky even won. This invasion was not really that surprising for anyone who was paying attention.
https://youtu.be/1xNHmHpERH8
Here's another perspective, showing that Russian window of opportunity was closing down: https://youtu.be/rkuhWA9GdCo
(keep in mind the author talks how Russia thinks, not necessarily the reality. Russia strategy was to itself, they did that by conquering their neighbors to create a buffer, then absorbing them and realizing that now they need to provide buffer for the buffer, repeat)
My god. I'm not saying that Russia was provoked by the west. I'm saying is that those who saw the war coming didn't care and gave Ukraine a false sense of security by saying that they'll have protection. And once Russia attacked the help that the EU is providing is only enough to keep Russia at bay and not to actually push them back. And that this current state of the war is useful for both EU/NATO and the US. I feel like because I don't see it exactly the same way you do, you're lumping me with whoever else you don't agree with.
No one was providing false sense of security for Ukraine. This was recorded in January, before the full invasion:
https://youtu.be/Q7CNgP7kmQE
The goal was to scare putin from invading in the first place. He even mentioned there that Russia will prevail, because no one expected they would do as well.
As for EU's help, you can thank Hungary for it, they block everything, including humanitarian help, EU countries are forced to provide help independently.