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Lemmygrad isn't blocked because of their views, it's blocked because it's a massive troll farm. the posts that you see don't include the replies they make to posts which they deem not communist enough, where they sealion and argue in bad faith until the op is driven out
And that doesn't apply to liberals and every other ideology on this site? Every person has a political view which affects their opinions
if a liberal/anarchist/not-ML instance popped up and started behaving like Lemmygrad does, they'd get mass-defederated too. like i said, it's not their views they got defederated for, it's their behavior
Behaviour like what though? Disagreeing? I don't even know what 'sealioning' means, it basically seems like just saying 'this person has different fundamental assumptions to me therefore they're acting in bad faith'.
Lemmygrad has a history of brigading communities, targeted harassment towards admins and prolific political posters, and as i mentioned before, sealioning (defined by Wikipedia as "a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ('I'm just trying to have a debate'), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter")
But how do you differentiate 'brigading' from just being outside the ideological orthodox of a given community? Shouldn't bad actors just be banned personally?
they mass-report and/or mass-downvote people they don't see as communist enough and drown out any good-faith discussion in the comments
How is that any different from what I've been saying? Liberals from beehaw also have 'mass downvoted' people for being communist or pro China etc, but does that mean everyone from that community should be blocked? As for good faith discussion you're just defining comments you don't agree with as being inherently bad faith. I mean I'm sure there's some comments just like 'kill yourself lol' that are completely without merit but like I said it just seems like an instinctual anti communist reaction.
Well I haven't been on this site for very long so maybe I'll see what you mean eventually. I still think it's best in general to not fracture this already-tiny community though.
To be fair it's not like I know what lemmygrad does, I only joined yesterday, but it just seems like typical 'tankiephobia', I don't exactly agree with MLs on everything either but some of what they get accused of is just beyond the pale. I mean generally if someone is a western liberal they don't get endlessly accused of being a mass war crime apologist even though that's basically what the 'war on terror' was.