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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Actually wtf is that, that's insane

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think this is the right system:

pedestrians > bicycles > cars

But this is whats in the picture:

cars > pedestrians > bicycles

[–] Skasi 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

From this limited view pedestrians seem to have a pretty nice place there. Crosswalks are highlighted strongly and there's no traffic lights to slow down pedestrians so they have the priority and the necessary attention. Sidwalks seem wide enough as well.

Yes the road is wider than the bike path, but they each have one lane per direction and there don't appear to be any sharp turns. The bike lane should perhaps be a little wider, but if there's only a low number of cyclers it seems equal-ish.

I feel like the little "hill" where the bike lanes and crosswalk intersect should start earlier, that way bikes could come to a halt at the top of the hill and wouldn't have to accelerate through it, instead they could use it as a sort of break to build up potential energy for a little speed boost later on. Either way the hill seems like a decent idea considering bike drivers occasionally try to drive past pedestrians without a clear path, overestimating their agility - especially at high speeds.

While one could argue for a similar hill on the road, I'd consider that an unnecessary nuisance for the bus driver and passengers. Being shaken around while getting up for a stop is not a nice experience. A hill would also scratch the underside of a low-floor bus.

Ideally bus and tram stops should probably be placed just before a crossing, not after. That way the bus doesn't block view of pedestrians for cars coming from the opposite direction. The bus driver will usually have to stop for the station either way, so might as well combine the stop for the station with the stop for the crosswalk.

That said I'd argue it's more of a pedestrians > cars > bicycles or maybe even a pedestrians > cars/bycycles system. Not quite as bad as your suggestion, but still not ideal.

edits: Added a comment about bus stop location. Added comment on low-floor bus.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It looks overengineered and I am not sure it is more safe for pedestrians, bicycles or cars.

I have seen that kind of design near public transport hubs when the bus stop services many busses and there's a constant stream of traffic of all types. This one on the other hand will be ignored by all.

[–] Skasi -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What exactly do you consider insane about it?

[–] adj16 1 points 1 month ago

Which, by virtue of not reducing its speed, is more likely to seriously injure a pedestrian: a car, or a bicycle?