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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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[–] Dasus 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So him defrauding millions of times more than what that 15-year sentence guy stole is less bad because the fraudster also snitched on an even bigger fraudster?

I think that isn't an issue. The issue is the clearly disproportionate punishment of 15 years for 100 dollars.

A few years for fraud especially you helped the catch more fraudsters is fine.

15 years for something that won't cover a night out is fucking wrong.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Absolutely agree, you're preaching to the choir

[–] rekorse 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In most circumstances the dollar amount does matter. The titles are cherry picked. The 100 dollar theft wasnt from a convenience store, he robbed a bank. Is your argument that it was such a bad bank robbery that we shouldnt punish the guy? What about criminal history?

Dramatizing the facts does not help make the point, it makes it less resilient. The situation is already lopsided if we just take the simple facts of what happened, but the titles of these articles are not that.

[–] Dasus 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trying t8 defend the US justice system is a bold fucking move.

You do knowing about three strikes laws and mandatory minimums right?

There are people serving life sentences for stealing food while most white collar crime, even when convicted, don't get much jailtime at all. Usually fines, or parole or house-arrest in their mansions.

Sometimes a non-violent felony also counts as a third strike, which thus would result in a disproportionate penalty., Three-strikes laws have thus also been criticized for imposing disproportionate penalties and focusing too much on street crime rather than white-collar crime.

The US manufactures crimes so it can legally enslave the poor people. Because slavery is still legal in the US, as long as the slaves are convicted criminals.

That's genuinely propping up a significant portion of the US economy; slave labour from prisons which are filled up with all kinds of excuses.

The wealthy 'make mistakes', the poor go to jail

Pretending you don't understand this is the reality of the situation is making me question your humanity.

[–] rekorse 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well you just keep on pushing people away with your exaggerations. My second favorite part is where you assume any critique must mean I support the current system.

Read better. I said this is already a great example of inequality without obfuscating details. Since it stands on its own merits, any efforts to exaggerate either way is reducing the effectiveness of your message. Honesty is important.

[–] Dasus 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] rekorse -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Are we really defending headlines in articles now?They always are missing nuance, as a rule. All I said was its important not to exaggerate. After reading all the details its still absurd.

I'm saying headlines like that can push people away as much as it can grab them. I generally dont like headlines that are designed to invoke a certain emotional response.

I dont want to discuss how this makes people feel, I want to discuss the details and why things are the way they are, so we can go about trying to fix them.

And you can save the links, although I do enjoy the reading, cause like I said I already agree with your position: its not just or fair or equal or any of that.