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Review of suicides and gender dysphoria at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust: independent report (www.gov.uk)
submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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The summary:

  1. The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.
  2. The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
  3. The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.
  4. There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.
  5. We need to ensure high quality data in which everyone has confidence, as the basis of improved safety for this at risk group of young people.
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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Where does it say that suicides are "no big deal"? The central claim that it's refuting is this:

The central claim, made on X (formerly known as Twitter), is that there has been a large rise in suicide by current and recent patients of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) service at the Tavistock since an earlier restriction of puberty-blocking drugs that followed a High Court decision in a case (Bell v Tavistock) in December 2020

The article says suicides are tragedies, but also refutes the claim about a surge in suicides.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Of course it doesn't say that, and if you are a very literal-minded person I can see why my post might be bewildering.

If in your mind the claim about a surge in suicides is sufficiently refuted, why is it important to post an article about British children and gender dysphoria here, in a community that is devoted to American conservative politics and policies?

Maybe the reasons are to push the idea that gender dysphoria shouldn't be taken seriously, or perhaps posting here is part of an effort to take these kinds of decisions away from parents and doctors and make legislators responsible for who gets what medical treatment.

I personally think constantly bringing up trans children is an effort to perpetuate a moral panic and keep people distracted from more pressing issues and voting against their best interests.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If in your mind the claim about a surge in suicides is sufficiently refuted,

Is it sufficiently refuted in your mind?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

My grandmother once told me that answering a question with a question is being evasive.

Here's more questions: did you know that according to the new england journal of medicine the leading cause of death among children and teens in America is firearm related injury?

Why do people in America seem to want to talk more about woke transes and puberty blockers, instead of safe storage and teaching kids not to play with guns?

My answer to yours is that I don't know. I have heard some wild conspiracy theories about the Tavistock, and I'm not familiar with the good law project.

My wife was for many years in medical research and she says that people misinterpret, misrepresent, hide and lie about data all the time. " You can make the data tell any story you want." She says.

So really, I don't know. I hope so.