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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Averrin to c/selfhosted
 

Correct me if I'm wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I'm a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until you have a significant piece of auditory (e.g. private instances or servers with no users). Are there any "balancers" to utilize these empty instances? Should we promote (or create in the first place) a way how to passively help lemmy with such fast growth?

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[–] goldenarchmage 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (30 children)

It's a bit worse than that actually. I'm now seeing several communities with exactly the same name that originate on different servers - so clearly Lemmy doesn't have a rule about duplication once you cross a server boundary. That's going to get unwieldy quite fast particularly if, I dunno, "Aww" gets popular on two separate servers at the same time - I guess I'll have to subscribe to both...

[–] Ataraxia 61 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Well one instance shouldn't monopolize a community. If it takes a dump on one instance at least it exists elsewhere. If I want to start up my own cat community I don't see why that's an issue.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I agree, I don't particularly see this as an actual issue... Nothing stops you from subscribing to both.

Just like there could be a [email protected] and a [email protected]. Nobody is confused with emails when it comes to this... The difference is that it's slightly more work than reddit because r/aww is one particular thing and it's assumed we're talking about Reddit because of it's unique format. Here it's just c/aww on lemmy.ml, but that's a bit of the point of the [email protected] structure of naming.

I LOVE that there's [email protected] and [email protected]. Different communities ran by different groups will end up with different content. Then I can shop for the content I want myself.

Nobody can singularly own the name. I always found that to be a big problem on reddit. r/trees comes to mind, if there was an actual arborist community that want r/trees, well they were fucked. And that's kind of jacked. This way it doesn't matter. Just pick a different instance that doesn't already have c/trees and post there... or better, start your own instance to host it.

I don't know... in the future people could even start up instances of lemmy on domains like lemmy.jobs, lemmy.help or lemmy.hobby to aggregate major communities based on topics. lemmy.jobs for instance could be an instance that houses professional the arborist and the domain would make it clear the intent. Or even better... drop the lemmy all together and register jobs.social or similarly descriptive domain names.

I know we're all a hodge-podge of domains now because a lot of us are just spinning up instance on domains we already have... but the potential is there.

[–] Master 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This problem existed on reddit too still. You have r/games r/game r/gamers r/gamenews r/gamernews etc. All trying to do the exact same thing.

[–] coalbus 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think this comment convinced me. Because you're right, on Reddit there were always offshoot communities that were essentially the same exact thing just of different sizes and run by different people. There'll probably always be the "most popular" one, and then several offshoots for the same topic but perhaps a better sense of community because it's hundreds or thousands of users vs millions or tens of millions of users.

Remembering the exact instance and community name combinations will take a little extra effort, but not significantly and subscribing negates that mostly.

[–] haxasaur 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The one that pissed me off a lot is the misspelling of r/politcs trying to mimic r/politics. And i messaged the mods asking why they existed and was just either oblivious or trolled with their answer of "to talk politics".

[–] WalrusByte 2 points 1 year ago

Took me forever to realize I was subscribed to an r/mildlyinteresting and an r/mildyinteresting. Just figured they were the same thing and didn't affect me much.

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