I'm glad it's working for you, but also we have no long term studies about refined kratom (and yes, it is refined, unless you're out there eating the diet and chewing the m. speciosa leaf of the indigenous South East Asian tribes this practice originates from). I've had several classmates who replaced their Adderall addiction with kratom, and the side effects were nasty as hell, one of them even has permanent liver damage because of it.

Sorry to be a fed, but I recommend anyone who wants to try kratom to really look into dosages and usage time beyond a cursory Google search and what random people (including me) say on social media before committing.

[+] PlasticExistence -8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Regular kratom leaf is so mild. Coffee is way more addictive. I've quit kratom cold turkey each time I've taken a tolerance break and had no issues. I cannot quit caffeine cold turkey.

I'm not recommending gas station kratom extract shots. Dry, ground leaf is what I take. OP asked for something other than caffeine which isn't exactly healthy in the amounts the meme describes.

Was your roommate using the liquid shots? I feel like you've gotten some bad information regarding what kratom is and isn't. I assume you've never tried it. Is that correct?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Was your roommate using the liquid shots? I feel like you've gotten some bad information regarding what kratom is and isn't. I assume you've never tried it. Is that correct?

It's pretty bold of you to assume I have no idea what I'm talking about because I haven't done kratom, and then implying I'm misinformed when I specifically said that anyone interested should do a deep dive on their own and not off random Lemmy comments.

I hate doing calls to authority, but 1) it was several classmates, not my roommate (?), and 2) I'm a former biochemist who specifically has worked on drug and substance interactions within different genetic populations, and I have seen firsthand the opiate-like withdrawal symptoms that AuDHD study participants have gone through at even lower dosages of kratom due to a variety of factors such as body weight, diet, genetic makeup, alcohol use, and being on the spectrum.

Like I said previously, it's great that it works for you and your friend, but you cannot blanket guarantee it'll be the same outcome for everyone else, especially if we're accounting for the variance than can occur in AuDHD brain structures. This isn't shit you casually recommend like a brand of multivitamins.