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[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 months ago (23 children)

This is a whole paradigm shift, and it's not new.

So you have a billion dollar aircraft carrier. How many million dollar missiles can you shoot at it before it sinks? Generally, it's not a thousand.

Same deal all down the line. A tank is fantastically more expensive than an antitank rocket.

Just the way the world works. You can iterate and improve a small munition way faster than a huge ship.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (9 children)

That is the meme, but when I talk to military people they point out Russian incompetence. They do not believe NATO ships are that vulnerable. Ukraine is using a lot of tanks, but because they are using them according to good military doctrine they are not taking nearly as many losses. Note that Ukraine and Russia both got their tank instructions from the old Soviet playbook not a NATO book (though Ukraine as had NATO training as well), there is nothing about using a tank well Russia shouldn't know, but they are failing to follow their own book on how to use tanks.

[–] Badeendje 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure pointing to Russian incompetence is easy. I would like to see how NATO ships fare in a training exercise against a pack of 10 Magura V's. I'll bet they will find it is much harder than they thought.

These things are so low in the water they dissapears between the waves for radar and other tracking systems, they can move slow to get close and be within the outer defense layers before they are spotted. And now they even come with deployable mines, grad missiles or even anti air missiles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

So would I. Those in the military who are talking give me the impression they have done tests and while the results are classified (thus I don't know what the truth is) they have counter measures (which again are classified so I don't know what they might be)

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