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At the time of writing, Lemmyworld has the second highest number of active users (compared to all lemmy instances)

Also at the time of writing, Lemmyworld has >99% uptime.

By comparison, other lemmy instances with as many users as Lemmyworld keep going down.

What optimizations has Lemmyworld made to their hosting configuration that has made it more resilient than other instances' hosting configurations?

See also Does Lemmy cache the frontpage by default (read-only)? on [email protected]

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[โ€“] mo_ztt 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

* correctly estimating

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[โ€“] 314xel 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Correct. Lemmy is a monolithic application, so there's only so much a server upgrade can do.

[โ€“] PriorProject 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lemmy is a monolithic application, so there's only so much a server upgrade can do.

This is sort of true, but not really true. The default docker setup is comprised of 4 containers. I've seen admins report that two of those containers (lemmy and lemmy-ui) can be horizontally scaled just fine. The pict-rs and postgres containers can currently only be vertically scaled, but Postgres natively supports scaling read load.at least through read-replicas, and there's an incomplete proposal to support scaling reads through separate db connections.

All of which is to say, it's possible to throw 4-6 machines at a Lemmy install. It's not truly a single-procees monolith. Would the Lemmy code be able to productively use all that hardware? I dunno. It's scaled better tombig hardware on lemmy.world than I would have predicted last week, maybe it can fully utilize a 6 machine setup, or maybe the db falls over first and you need to fix performance bugs because sn instance can scale to the user counts necessary to support bigger hardware setups.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if you could replace Postgres with CockroachDB in this instance to scale out.

What is Pict-rs?

[โ€“] PriorProject 4 points 1 year ago

What is Pict-rs?

The image-hosting component: https://crates.io/crates/pict-rs

I wonder if you could replace Postgres with CockroachDB in this instance to scale out.

It's not a crazy idea, but it's not obviously a panacea either.

  • Cockroach is harder to admin and would only provide benefit on giant instances. It would be worse for small/beginner instances, which is the majority of them right now.
  • Cockroach doesn't support the full PG protocol, there may be porting issues.
  • Cockroach can have poor performance on some query types. I don't have deep knowledge of what kinds or if Lemmy would be impacted, but when I read about cockroach migrations it's common to find some performance footgun people had to work around. This can also add to the porting effort and could make it harder to develop for Lemmy on cockroach.
  • There's also AWS Aurora, for distributed PG-compatible dbs.
  • Finally Postgres scales pretty big. You can't run reddit or Facebook on a single-write leader with a bunch of read replicas, but you can run a pretty big website that way.

All of which is to say, maybe there's something there... but often distributed databases have fewer features and have bigger footguns than rdbms's. If you want to try cockroach or aurora, you don't need the devs help. You can stay to stand up a Lemmy instance that points at them. If the compatibility is really good enough, it will "just work" and you can try some performance testing. If it doesn't, then you have your answer than porting effort is requires for speculative benefit.