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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/15863526

Steven Anderegg allegedly used the Stable Diffusion AI model to generate photos; if convicted, he could face up to 70 years in prison

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[–] laughterlaughter 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nobody is saying they're real, and I now see what you're saying.

By your answers, your question is more "at-face-value" than people assume:

You are asking:

"Did violence occur in real life in order to produce this violent picture?"

The answer is, of course, no.

But people are interpreting it as:

"This is a picture of a man being stoned to death. Is this picture violent, if no violence took place in real life?"

To which answer is, yes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It can be abhorrent and unlikable, its still not abuse

[–] laughterlaughter 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We're not disagreeing.

The question was:

"Is this an abuse image if it was generated?"

Yes, it is an abuse image.

Is it actual abuse? Of course not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And yet its being treated as though it is

[–] PoliticalAgitator 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Images of children being raped are being treated as images of children being raped. Nobody has every been caught with child pornography and charged as if they abused the children themselves, nor is anybody advocating that people generating AI child pornography are charged as if they sexually abused a child.

Everything is being treated as it always has been, but you're here arguing that it's moral and harmless as long as an AI does it, using every semantic trick and shifted goalpost you possibly can.

It's been gross as fuck to watch. I know you're aiming for a kind of "king of rationality, capable of transcending even your disgust of child abuse" thing, but every argument you make is so trivial and unimportant that you're coming across as someone hoping CSAM becomes more accessible.

[–] laughterlaughter 0 points 1 month ago

Well, that's another story. I just answered your question. "Are these images about abuse even if they're generated?" Yup, they are.

"Should people be prosecuted because of them?" Welp, someone with more expertise should answer this. Not me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No genius it's just promoting abuse. Have a good day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just like violent video games produce school shooters

[–] PoliticalAgitator 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You've already fucked up your own argument. You're supposed to be insisting there's no such thing as a "violent video game", because representations of violence don't count, only violence done to actual people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you can't follow a simple line of logic to explain a counterpoint, that's on you.

[–] PoliticalAgitator 1 points 1 month ago

I understood it just fine.