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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)

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[–] Dasus 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Eh, roughly 1-2% of people are psychopathic and we've only really destroyed the Earth since we adopted capitalism, the system in which a very small, unempathetic minority has control of pretty much everything.

But that's not my largest issue with Smith's comment. It's more that an program of his stature definitely should have a better grasp on taxonomy. Viruses aren't even alive according to some current classifications. Parasitic organisms would be much closer. Unfortunately there aren't really any parasitic mammals. Vampire bats, perhaps? And that simile — capitalists as vampires (the human kind) — is a bit older than Smith's virus metaphor.

Marxferatu "The figure of the vampire is the ultimate individual: predatory, inhuman, anti-human, with no moral obligation to others."

[–] angrystego 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"viruses are not even alive" - viruses and other acellular entities that are part of what we call life on earth in general are finally starting to be recognized as such: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26305806/

[–] Dasus 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are my red blood cells alive, per se?

Also, not to be a quenchcoal, but a single paper suggesting a classification doesn't really mean scientific consensus on the matter.

As I said, most current definitions. I am aware of different views as well. It's not my personal opinion, just the prevailing definition.

[–] angrystego 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

About the red blood cells - in my opinion, individual cells of multicellular organisms are alive per se, yes.

You're right about the consensus, but I think times are changing and thinking differently about viruses is becoming a trend.

[–] Dasus 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

About the red blood cells - in my opinion, individual cells of multicellular organisms are alive per se, yes.

So your nails are also alive? Or just the nailbed? Or the nails rven alive after you discard them?

Red cells are a part of an organism, but they're not an organism themselves, so they're not exactly " alive".

But viruses, that debate is nowhere near as simple, haha.

[–] angrystego 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With red blood cells it's not as simple either.

[–] Dasus 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it isn't.

Definitions in biology, man. There's always an exception, and an exception to the exception and...