In some of the music communities I'm in the content creators are already telling their userbase to go follow them on threads. They're all talking about some kind of beef between Elon and Mark and the possibility of a boxing match... Mark was right to call the people he's leaching off of fucking idiots.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I stopped using Facebook 10 years ago, but I'm loathed to actually delete my account because every once in a while, a long lost friend or relative contacts me there. It would be a shame to lose touch with people. Ultimately I care about that more than privacy. It's the same with Whatsapp. I've made a concerted effort to convince my immediate family to try XMPP, Delta Chat and Signal, but they just won't install another app unless everyone they know is using it. I find it a bit frustrating, but that's reality. So I have to keep using Whatsapp.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can always keep a never in 10 years updated profile active for family and stuff. The biggest danger is for active users after all: they're the most vulnerable to targeted media manipulation.

By being present in their lives (while giving up as few data as possible to big corporations) they can have by their side someone with good advices on privacy, manufactured consent, rights violations and adjacent topics. Alienating ourselves from them isn't really beneficial in the long run.

I use WhatsApp as well for the people I keep in touch with, and have an active Instagram account where I use only the chat feature. It's enough to keep up with the people in my life.

For whoever is even more privacy concerned, it's possible to run those apps in sandboxed mode through some apps.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use WhatsApp as well for the people I keep in touch with

And everyone in your address book not using WhatsApp should come by once in a while and slap you for selling their numbers for your convenience... You are right... keeping a basically inactive Facebook profile is harmless in comparison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They all are already on WhatsApp though. All my phone contacts are WhatsApp contacts already (and have been before I added them).

If I need to interact with anyone who desires ultmost privacy I'm not idiot enough to ask for their phone number, and they'd be really out of their mind to share if that's the case.

But sure, I guess a cousin or smth might want to slap me in the face for "selling" data they already sold themselves years prior.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live in Germany and everyone here uses WhatsApp. If you decide to uninstall it, you're cut off from 95% of your friends, family and your coworkers.

It's not an option to not use it, sadly. From what I understand, it's like iMessage in the USA. Extreme monopoly and very hard to break out of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I live in Germany

Same here... and most of my contact list (and I) dropped WhatsApp when Meta bought them or a year later when the eavesdropping and phoning home to Meta was publically discussed in the media. The remaining minority is able to use another alternative on top of WhatsApp (that's one of the reason I like to remond them that they provide Meta with data from the people opting out...). That was also nearly a decade ago (2014/2015), so pretending that you need to use WhatsApp in 2023 is indeed a choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

pretending that you need to use WhatsApp in 2023 is indeed a choice

It's not as easy as you make it sound. Between 2015 and 2022, Whatsapp's marketshare has increased a lot in Germany. So it might've been comparatively easy to drop it 8 years ago. It's not anymore.

Maybe I'd be able to convince a lot of my friends to install another app just for me. But it would be hard to do and involve a lot of arguing on my end. I'm not a missionary and I choose to spend my lifetime for other, more important things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Or maybe you would realize that a lot of people think the same but are also convinced to be alone and unable to change anything... Just like it happened for me back then the moment the first few made the effort to change. We will never know.