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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Buddy, I just want to type a search term and get results.

Telemetry can help them do better at providing that. Devs aren't magical beings, they don't know what's working and what's not unless someone tells them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's like saying the window pane between me and the teller has to understand the conversation and dynamically modify the light between him and I. The window pane's only job is to let light through. Keep it at that.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, this analogy would make more sense if it was a matter of recording a large number of interactions between customers and tellers to ensure that the window isn't interfering with their interactions. Is the window the right size? Can the customer and teller hear each other through it? Is that little hole at the bottom large enough to let through the things they need to physically exchange? If you deploy the windows and then never gather any telemetry you have no idea whether it's working well or if it could be improved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're describing telemetry to improve the overall performance of the window. That's very different from what Mozilla: listening in to what is sent between the teller and I. They even gave an example of a trip to Spain and recording it as travel. That's going way beyond the performance of a window. The teller is probably already doing that. The window operator has no business listening in on that discussion nor recording even a summary of details of the discussion.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The analogy isn't perfect, no analogy ever is.

In this case the content of the search is all that really matters for the quality of the search. What else would you suggest be recorded, the words-per-minute typing speed, the font size? If they want to improve the search system they need to know how it's working, and that involves recording the searches.

It's anonymized and you can opt out. Go ahead and opt out. There'll still be enough telemetry for them to do their work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Telemetry doesn't need topic categorization. This is building a dataset for AI.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The example of the "search optimization" they want to improve is Firefox Suggest, which has sponsored results which could be promoted (and cost more) based on predictions of interest based on recent trends of topics in your country. "Users in Belgium search for vacations more during X time of day" is exactly the sort of stuff you'd use to make ads more valuable. "Users in France follow a similar pattern, but two weeks later" is even better. Similarly predicting waves of infection based on the rise and fall of "health" searches is useful for public health, but also for pushing or tabling ad campaigns.