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Was listening to rev left radio and they had a guest who talked about this course! From their description:

Economics for Emancipation (E4E) is a seven-module introductory curriculum with interactive and participatory workshops. It offers a deep critical dive into the current political economic system, exploration of alternative economic systems, and dynamic tools to dream and build the economy that centers care, relationship, and liberation.

Theres lots of info, readings, takeaways. All around well made course. If anyone knows similar courses/adjacent stuff would love to hear about it!

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Up the speed if you want to listen to him.

He talks about having some background on economics in college. And when talking vaguely in the past he got kinda based and anti establishment without veering off to the right.

But this video is cringe. He criticized socialism seemingly without knowing what it is. He incorporated the national inflation number into his annual downturn percentage calculation for Intel. I'm not an economist but I also don't see how those numbers apply. He repeated some eh about China.

He talks about markets like some type of libertarian. This guy has probably never read any socialist theory and it shows.

I've been really enjoying all his videos and they are useful and he has some pretty good takes and useful techniques and knowledge. This one disappointed me tho. Hope he levels up his politics. It's totally absent a whole perspective.

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I’m not very experienced with complex nuances of Economic systems, recently I saw the news say that the US gov will raise interest rates to slow inflation. I don’t much about interest rates, but I’ve heard an argument from the left (not sure who) that inflation can be solved by dealing with unemployment or with interest rates and I think the person was arguing in favor of dealing with unemployment. But what happens when interest rates are raised or lowered? And what is the affect on inflation? What happens to wages and benefits? Sorry it’s probably a lot of questions but any help would mean a lot, I wanna understand the current economy from a Marxist perspective

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Japan: Abenomics revisited (thenextrecession.wordpress.com)
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A relevant article from Marxist economist Michael Roberts

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If you take China out of the equation, global poverty is getting much, much worse. Very interesting. And given what the article says, it's hard not to believe that organizations like the World Bank know what they're doing when they skew the results in a way that fits their narrative.

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A video by computer scientist and Marxian economist Paul Cockshott on the empirical evidence for LTV.

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Introduction

Most of the data is from this report by the UN Human Rights Council which I recommend reading in its entirety. I will summarise some important relevant bits below.

The International Poverty Line, or IPL, is, according to the World Bank (alarm bells go off), "a globally relevant yardstick that allows for the achievement of the same meager needs in every country". In this post, I will try to show that it is a dishonest attempt at gauging poverty.

What exactly is the International Poverty Line?

The current International Poverty Line, or IPL, is derived from an average of national poverty lines adopted by 15 of the world’s poorest countries. It is not based on any direct assessment of the cost of essential needs.[1] Instead, it is an absolute line, constant in value, calculated and expressed using purchasing power parity (PPP) dollars, which are designed to adjust for the costs of goods in different countries in a way that market exchange rates do not. PPP is used to compare international currency differences rather than market exchange values because PPP as a metric is much stabler than exchange values, which exhibits immense volatility. Regardless, PPP has problems of its own which are beyond the scope of this post.

The current line of US$1.90 2011 PPP per day represents what that amount could buy in the United States in 2011. Expressed in local currencies for the most recent years available, the line translates to living on:

  • 7.49 yuan per day in China
  • 1.41 euros in Portugal
  • 22.49 pesos in Mexico
  • 50.83 rubles in Russia
  • 355.18 naira in Nigeria
  • 910.15 pesos in Chile
  • 36.27 rupees in India

Why does it suck?

  1. The IPL is explicitly designed to reflect a staggeringly low standard of living, well below any reasonable conception of a life with dignity. For comparison, Peter Edwards, in 2006, proposed an "ethical poverty line" that would enable people to achieve normal life expectancy, which tripled the number of people qualifying as poor compared to the IPL.[2] Similarly in 2006, using an approach to determine the lowest possible cost of a balanced 2,100 calorie diet and allowing for three square meters of living space, Robert Allen calculated higher lines of $2.63 in developing countries and $3.96 in high-income countries, which increases the World Bank's poverty headcount by 50%.[3]

  2. The IPL is arbitrary. It is an average of poverty lines of the fifteen poorest nations and is not weighed against basic needs in any meaningful way. For example, the US goverment in 2011 calculated the minimum expenditure on food to be $5.04 per day, which is more than twice of what the IPL suggests.[4]

  3. The IPL doesn't take into account societal differences. Meaning that it doesn't take into account commodities that might be necessary in some societies but haven't been considered due to a narrow definituon of the poverty line as defined above. Cellphones or transport may not be necessary in a low-income country, but are imperetive in a high-income one. Similarly, it doesn't take into account the expenditure on fuel and clothing in cold countries.

  4. Aside from the IPL, there are critical flaws in how the World Bank does its headcounts. For example, it doesn't account for uneven distribution of income between men and women in the same households, which has been a reported trend.[5] The result is that small systemic imbalances could result in a large number of women living under the IPL but going unreported. Additionally, hundreds of millions of vulnerable people are excluded or underrepresented in the World Bank's data.[6] This includes homeless people, pastoralists, migrant workers, refugees and displaced persons, people affected by armed conflict, people residing in households but not considered members (such as domestic workers), and those in informal settlements.

If the IPL is so shit, why does it exist?

Simply put, the IPL's credibility is a reflection of the bourgeoisie's lack of political will to eliminate poverty. The ultra-low line set by the World Bank helps ensure positive results, even if the policies enacted lead to an insignificant improvement in the living standards of the most poor.

Even with the abysmal standard of poverty set by the World Bank for itself, its performance has been horrendous: 700 million people living under $1.90 is unacceptable. But using more realistic measures exposes the true failures of neoliberalism. The number living under a $5.50 line held almost steady between 1990 and 2015, declining from 3.5 to 3.4 billion, while the rate dropped from 67 percent to 46 percent.[7]

Much of the progress reflected under the Bank’s line is due not to any global trend but to exceptional developments in China, where the number of people below the IPL dropped from more than 750 million to 10 million between 1990 and 2015[8], accounting for a large proportion of the billion people ‘lifted’ out of poverty during that period. This is even starker under higher poverty lines. Without China, the global headcount under a $2.50 line barely changed between 1990 and 2010.[9] And without East Asia and the Pacific, it would have increased from 2.02 billion to 2.68 billion between 1990 and 2015 under a $5.50 line.[10]

Conclusion

Neoliberalism will be the death of us.

Sources

[1]: Francisco Ferreira, et al., “A Global Count of the Extreme Poor in 2012,” World Bank, 3 October 2015, pp. 39, 46.

[2]: Peter Edward, “The Ethical Poverty Line: A Moral Quantification of Absolute Poverty,” Third World Quarterly, vol. 27 (2006), p 388.

[3]: Allen, “Absolute Poverty,” pp. 3716-17.

[4]: Rahul Lahoti and Sanjay Reddy, “$1.90 Per Day: What Does it Say?,” Working Paper 25/2015, The New School for Social Research (2015), p. 13.

[5]: Raül Santaeulàlia-Llopis and Yu Zheng, “Why Is Food Consumption Inequality Underestimated? A Story of Vices and Children,” Working Paper 969 (2017).

[6]: Cobham estimates that over 350 million people are “systematically excluded from surveys and census data.” The Uncounted, p. 157. Also, Anthony Atkinson, Measuring Poverty around the World (2019), p. 128.

[7]: World Bank, Poverty and Shared Prosperity, p. 3.

[8]: World Bank, “Poverty and Equity Data Portal,” available at https://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/CHN.

[9]: Peter Edward and Andy Sumner, “Global Inequality and Global Poverty Since the Cold War: How robust is the optimistic narrative?,” in P. van Bergeijk and R. van der Hoeven (eds.), Sustainable Development Goals and Income Inequality (2017), Figures 6-9.

[10]: World Bank, “Regional aggregation using 2011 PPP and $1.9/day poverty line,” available at iresearch.worldbank.org/PovcalNet/povDuplicateWB.aspx

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