/kbin meta

One of the things that really seemed to spook new Mastodon users late last year was the fact that there were multiple microblogging platforms on the Fediverse. Telling someone who lamented the lack of quote-tweets, for instance, that Calckey and Misskey had quotes, and they could use those instead, brought people out of the woodwork to argue somewhat vigorously that people should kind of shut up about both the missing features and the alternative piecds of software.

They wanted Mastodon to win.

I partially wonder if it's the centralized, disconnected social web that's to blame. You can't read Facebook posts from Twitter, so the idea that there was no meaningful different to Mastodon users if people they followed used Calckey maybe just wasn't something they groked, and they saw the suggestion of options as a threat?

I'm really not sure, but that kind of behaviour went away with time.

My worry is that Lemmy does as Mastodon does, and doesn't display the instance type of other users. Most microblogs other than Mastodon show what kind of service a post came from. It keeps people aware of what the Fediverse really is - people using many different bits of kit to talk to each other. Meanwhile, on Mastodon it just looks like everyone is using Mastodon, and that the Fediverse is Mastodon, and discussion of anything else is an attack on the Fediverse.

I would like to see instance signifies on other users in kbin and in Lemmy, but if the Lemmy Devs are financially motivated to hide that they're usersaare interacting eith other services... Well, I don't like that.

akkoma vs calckey?
have i missed anything?

Same. And I also don't even feel like I need a mobile app for kbin. It works just as well on my mobile browser as on my comp. No styles tho.

In my opinion, Reddit did many things right and there is no shame to copy what Reddit did right, and now we have the chance to improve where Reddit did not want to improve on.

Yeh that's a little bit of word salad to invoke emotions.

@SnowboardBum @kjr

I am presuming @PabloDiscobar means that in general, online spaces gravitate towards American-focused content posted by Americans, for Americans, moderated by Americans. The web is a different place when you're about 6 hours ahead of the main content generators. Other kinds of views and experiences get posed, but get washed away the moment the East Coast wakes up.

An example is Reddit's 'WorldNews' sub mainly focusing on American issues. As a Dutch person, I would not consider some Texan individual's issues with city council world news.

I mean the same thing that happened to reddit: the intrusion of american culture in the platform.

Is it normal that europeans know the american constitution better than their own? No, this is the result of soft power.

This is a known concept in Europe, some people tend to import problems from remote countries into their own. How many times did a subject completely unique to america popped up in a discussion where it wasn't relevant? Very often. Now take the opposite, when did americans stopped talking about the subject of like microtransactions in gaming and started to talk about Italian politics instead? Never. But start talking about any of the subject below and you will unleash more and more comments. Even if it's among europeans.

Example: gun laws, we all have an opinion about american gun laws. Even as europeans we have an opinion about american gun laws. But do you have an opinion about Greek gun laws?

another example: prisons

another example: no cake for lgbtq

another example: gerrymandering

So far the noise level is low on kbin, but it's growing steadily, I can see it. It is inherent to America, (and somehow uk). They have a business in making people mad, in feeding them anything that will polarize them and make them angry. And of course people will talk about these subjects on their social networks. The net result is that we end up talking and talking about america. That's why I'm talking about regionalization of instances. It's about talking with people who will join because they are interested in a specific subject, but will eventually end up discussing about other things which will still be relevant to you, to where you live. We can only care so much about the governor of Florida.

Do weird names really matter? People stop paying attention to them and accept them with enough time. "Reddit" is just a funny mispelling

Kbin is just the name of the software though (and appropriately, of ernest's main instance), you can create an instance and call it whatever. If you want to direct someone to terraria forums you don't mention phpbb3 or whatever it's using, it's just forums.terraria.org. I hope it ends up being the same way for kbin and lemmy down the line, it doesn't matter what you use - you still get to see all content.

For example, warframe's community is on dormi.zone. It uses lemmy in the background but for a casual user that doesn't really matter at all.

Whats wrong with Dutch posts?

I actually like seeing the posts in other languages. Imagine what using traditional social media like Reddit was like for other countries? Why are English speakers suddenly unable to cope when the tables are turned? (In general, not saying that’s you!)

Personally, I’d love some kind of built-in translation options. Tag the different language but allow an auto-translate user setting so everything can be switched to one’s native language.

I love the idea of interacting with the parts of the world, or speakers, that don’t participate in English.

With eyes on the future of the fediverse, I would prefer not ending up with another Facebook-like situation where 'one place' is the 'default' place - where the 'default' place is run by people less trustworthy than Mark Zuckerberg.

It won't. There will be different federations with different politics, specially on the NSFW content, corporatism level and global militantism. All these instances will be incompatible and will defederate and refederate differently.

You will have a Microsoft instance, which will never federate with google or facebook or amazon or Apple. They won't share their customers. Lower brands will probably federate for techsupport for example, etc. This will be interesting to watch.

Same for me, there is just no way.

I do think we‘ll eventually have some sort of split among corporate/anti-corporate instances in the fediverse as companies like Meta begin to intrude and some defederate while others do not. Similar to how it is now with the tankie instance and some defederating from them. In which case, I‘ll be hanging out somewhere among the anti-corporate instances.

My take on the fediverse is that it‘s all about enabling people to find a community which feels comfortable and if it doesn‘t exist, there is the tools to build it.