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I've tried to search for opinions on what's going on in Ukraine, but most posts are incredibly old. I'm not too educated on the matter myself (well, aside from keeping up most of the time with what cities are under whose control and all of that). I haven't really heard much about the geopolitical side of things, and it's hard to know what's disinfo or not; That's why I'd like to ask: What is your stance on the Ukraine war?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Here is an article about it from ProleWiki, which is associated with Lemmygrad and has some of the same admins.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Revolutionary defeatism

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The war is a proxy war between NATO and Russia that started in 2014 after the Maidan coup. When NATO threatened to allow Ukraine to join, it was a major escalation that demanded a response from Russia. In that sense, their SMO is an act of self-defense. I unequivocally support Russia on this, not because I agree with the Russian government's domestic policy or long term vision for the world, but because NATO is the greater evil, and if they successfully contain Russia, then China is next, and we may never see a free world in our lifetimes.

[–] Ilovethebomb 1 points 1 year ago

Thinking that invading your neighbour is an act of self defence is a real galaxy brain take.

Why do you think Ukraine is so keen to join NATO?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

read more lenin ☝️☝️☝️

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

War is a rich man's game, and this one is no different.

Putin is a reactionary, that isn't in question. He's not going to bring any benefit to the workers of Russia. The only reason he's popular is because he brought stability after the Soviet Union was taken out behind the barn. After that happened, they had Yeltsin, a drunk, incompetent disaster of a person and a politician. Putin's a far better alternative.

He started this war to protect the interests of Russia as a political entity, which does not include Russian workers. NATO has been aggressive towards Russia because the United States' empire has no tolerance for anyone not playing ball with them, even if they're capitalists themselves. This war has nothing to do with denazifying Ukraine (more on that in a moment), it's entirely about preserving the interests of Russian national capital.

On the end of Ukraine we have Zelenskiy, who is all too happy to throw Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder to get in good with NATO and other liberal alliances. Ukraine has a history of radical nationalism (and by proxy naziism, given the proclivities of many "national heroes" of the country to be bedfellows with the NSDAP and related people/orgs) which provides a good reason for Putin to start this mess.

Make no mistake, this war is the same as any other: a way for powerful, rich men to play chess with real human lives to boost their ego and their buddies' interests. There is no benefit for any working person to be found in the war itself or in the victory of either side.

Yes, there are nazis in Ukraine. No, this does not justify slaughtering tons of working class lives (most of whom are not even nazi-adjacent).

Being anti-war is the only stance one should take. No war but class war.

[–] Ilovethebomb 0 points 1 year ago

who is all too happy to throw Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder to get in good with NATO and other liberal alliances.

And also kick the invaders out of his country, did you forget about that?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

it's an inter imperialist war, and if ww1 taught us anything it's not to side with any imperialists. even if you think it's a "lesser evil" they all want to control the whole world. their ambitions are to eat eachother & everything else

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

fr, the main enemy is at home. It's the task of the workers in the West to dismantle NATO and Western Imperialism. It cannot be defeated by losing an inter-imperialist war. If two imperialist camps fight they may establish a new imperialist hegemonic power but it's not in our interest to just change the imperialist powers but to abolish them.

The only way to achieve actual peace in this war is for the working class to unite against the ruling class. Unfortunately, the "left leaders" and so called "Communist parties" in Ukraine and Russia commit to a disgusting Burgfriedenpolitik just like the Social democrats did in WW1 supporting their national bourgeoisie in agitating the working class to commit fratricide.

The same disgusting position is held by many so called "leftists" in the West just with the exact same argument of the SPD in WW1 to "spread progressive politics" via imperialist domination of "totally more reactionary and evil than us" Russia.

There isn't a good side in this conflict. NATO doesn't care about Ukraine they just want to weaken Russia and Russia is trying to defend their imperialist ambitions. Anyone having any delusions about Putin being a genuine anti-imperialist should just listen to him condemning Lenin and the Bolshevik Revolution.

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