A point I haven't seen mentioned yet is the lack of an accessible Automoderator equivalent on Lemmy. Moderators of larger subreddits use it to implement spam filters, remove commonly asked questions, handle multiple reports and sticky important information to the tops of comment sections. Not having a feature like that built into Lemmy can be a dealbreaker for those moderators.
this post was submitted on 12 Aug 2023
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I think lemmy will have an eternal September moment eventually when the platform improves. Mastodons will likely be soon. It's not a good thing nor is it a bad thing. There will be both benefits to it and negatives as well.
I'm really not interested in this being a Reddit clone. Several of the subreddits I wanted to be rid of have already popped up, here, while the better side of Reddit isn't really showing up, especially since Reddit re-opened and purged pesky mods so they could all get back to their scrolling.
Oh, yes lawd, that's what I need. I need fucking antiwork to shit up the place with their misery vibe while 196 goes skipping back to Reddit and takes all the fun times with her. Sign me up.
I wanted to become involved with a completely different community, with different mores, a different feel, and its own vibe. Fuck Reddit. I left that place looong before the blackout thing, I got tired of its toxic culture that sucked the life out of me after a few minutes.
Now that's starting to leak into Lemmy and I'm frankly eyeing the door.
If you liked Reddit, you need to go back there. I didn't like Reddit. I don't want to go back there. I don't want there to come here, either.
The joy of the Fediverse is that growth is nice but we don't NEED growth. A lot of you can't understand that. You can't understand that the platform will NOT fail if it doesn't get the kind of exponential, runaway growth that you associate with social media success. We do not actually need to hit TikTok numbers, ever. We need steady, slow user growth from people wanting something different, that's what. If the Fediverse becomes the Linux of social media, fine.
So no. No to this idea. Let Reddit stay on Reddit, thank you.
Disagree with this take in general (growth is worthwhile if only to shift communications platforms in general to open and federated protocols) but I don't think Lemmy is quite where we need it to be in order to sustain a migration. Finding a good instance is still tough, the idea of federation isn't easy to grasp for a new user yet, and the UX is still hammering out bugs. (Big thanks to all the devs that already work on Lemmy and all those that shifted over with the Reddit exodus for driving it to new heights so rapidly.)
An ideal migration from my perspective would have them find instances that cater to their interests and views and would allow easy defederation if undesired. Also, more control for the end user in what communities they see on their feeds when going through discovery (new/hot/etc feeds).
With better user controls for self moderation and better distribution of users across multiple instances I think we can have our cake and eat it too: growth towards a free world of communications without bogging us down by dealing with the folks/attitudes we find repugnant.
I agree and disagree.
If it's one or the other I'd also say we don't need growth. But truth is: We have to be of a certain size so that talking about niche topics works. Currently there are communities that just don't work because it's just one person or a very few active people and it's not enough for a conversation. It's just, we need to grow in a healthy way. In certain places and we need to attract just the right people.
But altogether it's what i've been saying about free software and/or platforms for years now. We don't need to compare ourselves to something else, we don't need to clone something else... This is our little cozy place. If i wanted everything to be like on reddit, I'd just go there and not spend my time here and complain.
One thing I disagree is that Lemmy is becoming like Reddit. I met a few nice people here. And it did and still does feel different. And maybe this place is big enough to be a home for all of us. From people who are 'toxic' in other people's eyes to people that just want to talk about 80s computers. I think we need a few things to change and a technical solution to the problem so that people can get along. We already have federation and some servers de-federating others because of fundamental disagreements. I think moderation has to be enhanced. And we need to stop showing the 'ALL' feed per default. That just contains silly memes or lots of low quality content. That'd be a good start.
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personally, i'd go for some stability and allow lemmy to create/develop it's own vibe. it doesn't need to grow and get big. those who seek alternatives will easily find it. let the people come to us.
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I put a Kbin and Lemmy community in the sidebar of /r/vexillology shortly after the beginning of the API protest.
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I don't even want more redditors to show up here anymore.
We've already got enough people doing and saying the same dumb shit they did there.
If we aren't careful, the top comment chain on every post will be puns we've all seen too many times
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I agree on all points. But I‘d say both things can be true at the same time.
Maximize attention brought to lemmy as an alternative so that the last salvageable soul on reddit gets the message while not shooting for copying reddit (like actual copying of posts for example and recreating every sub etc).
While I am very much in agreement with your arguments, I feel like your rhetoric is a little black and white albeit entertaining. Yes, there will be people going to discord because mental load, yes there will be people unwilling but some might still not have gotten the message.
So I say keep telling them but don’t try to „sell it“ if that makes sense.
Edit: fixed half finished sentence
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