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A boob, a butt, or even some violence like one might see on the news anyway, I’m not freaked out about all that and I don’t feel the need to hide it from those around me usually… that’s all fine fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Editing for clarity here:

Those are all things that might get flagged NSFW that I don’t mind seeing in general. I’m not uptight about it, it’s just a little different to be inundated with hardcore pornography like… while on the train.

I joined a primarily social insurance, kbin.social. I am very open to what is in my feed, sometimes to the extremer ends of that. I just believe that porn is a separate thing entirely and should be separated in some way. I’m not opposed to porn, but there’s a reason it had its own room in the video store. And if you’re wanting to look at porn, there’s a good chance you’re ONLY looking for porn at that moment.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A boob, a butt, or some violence like combat footage or the like are all fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Likewise, but I want porn and none the violence. Make love, not war! 🥵

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (25 children)

I don’t disagree - but just during this whole Ukraine / Russia thing I’ve found myself subscribing to some things where I’m likely to see footage from the field. To me this is just informational and in some ways important to see, despite the fact that it is difficult to take. Horrors of war and all that. That’s a normal part of my daily news consumption while someone in a dog costume getting railed in an elevator at a convention is uh… well it is what it is, and I don’t want it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s a normal part of my daily news consumption while someone in a dog costume getting railed in an elevator at a convention is uh… well it is what it is, and I don’t want it.

Oh, that's just terrible! Share the location of that post, will you? I wouldn't want to stumble upon it by accident!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Nice try compadre

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I had this conversation on mastodon a month ago:

NSFW is too broad for a tag. We should move on from it and redefined content warning tag specific to the content.

https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243044941547673
https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243567677517996

(Sorry I can’t find the convo my instance muted mastodon.social so posts are not being displayed. It’s a mess)

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seriously… there are so many things considered occasionally NSFW. Curse words, nudity, violence, suicide, even on Reddit anything tobacco related. I am personally very tolerant of all content, but I have lines with both gore and porn that I just don’t want the content mixed in with my casual browsing. I wish everyone would just take it to lemmynsfw so I could filter it appropriately, but due to relaxed instance rules even a generally tame instance like kbin.social constantly has new specific groups for me to ban. Just today it has beenfurry cartoon porn, feet, celebs…

Reddit never got this right either, but it seems like such an easy problem to solve. There’s R-rated and there’s porn. Not sure if it’s a result of people being too prude or too loosey goosey, but it seems very obvious to me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To make it obvious to everyone it could be simply coded in the app. You could choose a category when posting then choose a category as an user.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This would be great if the other federated communities tagged posts or followed guidelines, but they don't have to, which makes the attempt of censoring federated servers pointless. Just block the shit you don't like to see.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I think part of the point here is that communities that aren't following common, reasonable guidelines are ultimately going to be defederated by communities who care about those guidelines.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

A more robust tagging system makes blocking what you don't want to see easier and less disruptive to your experience.

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[–] AnotherPerson 35 points 1 year ago

I think just plain tags would be best

Violence

Nudity

Porn

Make it simple so there is no confusion. I don't mind seeing nudity. I am sometimes in the mood for porn. I have no appetite for violent imagery.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a moderator of r/nudism on Reddit, I fully support this message. While we don't find an image of a naked person any more or less offensive or sexual than an image of a naked dog or cat (please don't read anything in to that, pervs) we do recognize that nudity is NSFW for most people's workplaces. That said, we worked very hard to keep the sub rated as all ages, SFW, and required any image that contained nudity (which was rare) to be marked NSFW.

As with most things, there is nuance and the devil is in the details.

Edit:

A modest suggestion, have multiple tags. Violence, Nudity, Sex, Drugs, or whatever else. Users can choose to filter based on their personal views.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't want to be contrarian here, but I don't think we do. The title should be more than enough to determine the kind of nsfw it is. I'm not saying we don't need the feature, but I've never clicked a link thinking it would be porn and got gore or similar.

Porn doesn't usually come from communities that aren't porn communities so it isn't really ever an issue. An I off base here?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Remember when /all showed nsfw/porn threads? That was fun/scary/interesting. I’m not saying one way or another which is “better”, but ultimately having individual options might be best.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For me the issue is, I want to be able to set a filter on /all where the porn isn't rocking up but the combat footage etc is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why I say we need a NSFW and a CONTENT_WARNING. The nice thing about content warning is that it's generic enough to have multiple uses. It can cover gore and death, but it can also cover trigger warnings for sensitive spaces.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just want the NSFW thumbnails to be blurred out. I'm on Kbin, and I distinctly remember checking a box that said it would do that, but it doesn't do that. So I had to check the box to remove all NSFW from my feed, which I also don't want, but don't-want less than I don't-want my boss or my SO to look over my shoulder and see boobs in the "random posts" sidebar.

[–] Ataraxia 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On jerboa even if it's blurred it is clear what the image is if it's an ass or a crotch or tits or something involving a pet 🤔... I don't want to see anything like that especially CP, blurred or not.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Perhaps in addition to allowing some communities to set themselves as NSFW by default, Kbin could also let communities set up tags that get automatically added to their posts? That way the porn ones could add #porn, the combat footage ones could add #gore, etc. "NSFW" would be a special tag that indicates that the contents should be blurred or otherwise hidden from accidental view, and the user could then decide whether they wanted to view it anyway based on the tags that were on it. Meanwhile something that was a perfectly innocent academic debate on the subject of porn could have the #porn tag but not the NSFW flag, and it'd be shown normally.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Agreed. NSFW to me is synonymous with porn, and everything else may as well have a more literal label. 'gore' 'PDC potentially disturbing content' whatever.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like people miss the entire point of nsfw. It is supposed to be so you can have a way to filter everything so you could theoretically not see bad shit on a work computer.

Nsfw should be a catch all, and almost overly restrictive, that way you can comfortably go to reddit, kbin, Lemmy or whatever on a work computer without fear of bad shit popping up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

True. However, there is no reason adding a more nuanced tagging system would impact the ability to do that. You can still browse at work when you should be working, just check all the boxes first.

I, on the other hand, really like art. Sometimes that involves nudity, but it tends to be more incidental to the work and thus more tasteful than the internet's repository of porn gifs. I really like medical subs, which back on reddit expressed itself in following posted medical cases that were often fairly graphic.

I have no interest in seeing someone get spit roasted at really any point in my day, and there's so much more of it that it would be impossible to find much of anything else nsfw in hours of scrolling. I can't just block all the porn subs like I could on reddit, I've tried, there are more being made every day.

I don't think most people want to see what happens to your face when the shotgun doesn't kill you, either, when all they're trying to do is jerk off for a minute. At best, that's just gonna give someone a kink they can't talk about.

As it is now, m/all is a giant porn sub and I'm relegated ONLY to my subscriptions. If I turn the filter on to deal with the porn, I can no longer access my own subs. If I leave it off, it is everywhere and the sheer amount of it noticeably impacts my ability to even use m/all to find subs I may not have the terms to search or just never knew I wanted. Which destroys the point of having an All.

I think if we broke it down more, both sides would be served and no one would ever have to hear about it again

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Additionally, is there a way to block a magazine (hopefully I'm using the correct term) aside from having to actually go in there and click on the block button? If a properly skeezy one shows up on my general feed I'd prefer to not have to actually open it to filter it out if that makes sense.

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[–] Arcanus 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Scrolling “all” for increased exposure it’s like… news article, kitty cat, meme, anti-Reddit post, GAPING HOLES, puppy…

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd be cool with both nsfw and xxx tags. Nsfw is so ubiquitous, I think it should stay, and xxx is pretty well defined and short.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boobs, a butt, a missile decapitating someone… ok! What about a penis? Is that artistic and okay or is that unwanted porn?

The NSFW tag works well enough. We don’t need to start tagging what is unwanted porn, what is violence, what is wanted porn, what is art. The tag along with the title of the post should be enough.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

We just need a more elaborate labeling system. Instead of the binary SFW/NSFW, we could have several labels:

  • light nudity (boob, butt, etc)

  • porn

  • gore

  • death

etc.

Anyone who posts this sort of content without the proper labels gets banned.

[–] 4am 6 points 1 year ago

I feel like “NSFW” was born out of an attempt to appear to not censor. We can probably be more specific here since we have options to avoid censorship of instances. Tags of what kind of content a post contains could help, but they’d need to be standardized somehow.

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