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This is in regards to the brand-new [email protected] community.

And by more serious discussions I mean e.g. the legality of the recent jury nullification issue, which I don't want to allow if I were a moderator in it.

If you say yes you will be granted the community "ownership" as the sole moderator. I've only been a mod myself on Lemmy for less than a day but we'll figure out how to transfer it to you. You can ofc always add new mods and change it however you like after that. The advantage here is chiefly that you get the community "name" AskUSA, whereupon I could later create e.g. a CasualUSA but you would have the privileges of that specific name, to match the style of e.g. AskUK or AskLemmy (or AskScience or AskMen or AskElectronics or AskAndroid etc. - there are so many here using that style:-).

I don't want to be involved in something that is going to constantly be depressing to me, though I do recognize the need for such and am offering the community "name" if someone else wants to pick up that mantle.

While if nobody says yes then I suppose I'll just keep it going in the more CasualUSA light-hearted style, until such time as someone does. Either way I'll offer to help grow it by posting and commenting to it regularly - unless you want me to stop b/c I tend to be really bad at guessing what people want to see (e.g. personally I love John Oliver and also got involved in the Reddit protests, so why people are downvoting sexy pics of JO on Lemmy of all places... I seriously have no clue).

The community also needs moderators to help in general - so even if you don't want to take it over, would you like to help moderate it if it were to remain a more casual, light-hearted community?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not an American, so probably unqualified to mod this one.

@[email protected] already said they don't want to have another alt to mod

Not sure who around here is American, quite a few people are from the UK, Canada, Germany etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I don't think being American matters so much (surely it would help though) but you already do so much, as too does PhilipTheBucket, and it makes sense to share the load:-)

[–] admiralpatrick 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd be willing to moderate it from my Lemmy World account (this one), but I do not want to be "top mod". Mostly I'm willing to help keep trolls and rif-raff at bay and enforce the rules. Rules look okay to me, but I guess they can be fine-tuned as the need arises?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Yay! I would love to be co-mod with you (I tried to tag you specifically in a message earlier to this effect:-D). You'll need to make a comment or post or something within the community itself, so let's transfer our discussion over to the cross-post I just made of this.

Assuming someone else joins, I can make them the top mod, then you (or I guess they would have to be the one to make you a mod, perhaps, if you specifically do not want to be on top).

Or if nobody does, then it can still be just you and me, though we keep it casual and light-hearted until someone else is willing to take on mod-ship offering more serious discussions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

we'll figure out how to transfer it to you.

There is a native way to transfer communities in Lemmy, but I'm not sure if it works correctly as the last time I tried, it didn't work (It actually locked me out of my community). But that could be because of instance versions being noticeably different.

Anyways, you first need to be the "owner" (the first mod) in the community and get the one you want to transfer ownership to in the mod team. And then you simply right click on a post or comment that person made and click on "Transfer ownership".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Noice, thank you!:-)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just a heads up, your community is not federated to my instance for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nobody was subscribed, I just did

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Hmm. I didn't know that was a thing but your posts (and one of OP's) did show up now. EDIT: Not all of them, and not comments

That seems counter-intuitive. You need to know enough about a community to bring it in. I can maybe see a point when it comes to abandoning a community, though that also makes less sense if it only takes one subscriber for federation to still occur (maybe a bit more sense if subscribers need to be active users).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

You are right of course. On the other hand, the developers are working slowly on other issues and do not seem to have made this one a priority. And Rust is reputedly an exceedingly difficult language to learn to program in, even for someone who already knows C++. I expect PieFed (Python) and Sublinks (if still active, Java) to quickly surpass it with features, though Lemmy definitely has the edge in terms of most effort put into it so far.

On the other hand, we are still at version 0.19.7 - so definitely still a beta software rather than a fully functional one? Plus it's not meant for profit, so we make do with fewer features, and have only a very tiny set of developers working - those that can be supported by grants and donations.

Plus the entire thinking about how things should work seems to keep changing? Like, the original federation model was not built around the idea that Lemmy.World would have ~80% of all Lemmy users on it - and yet on the other hand, moderation tools, especially across instances, suck absolute ass (reportedly), so the entire Fediverse is kinda really struggling right now, and niceties such as this simply don't get worked on until the more major foundational issues get laid down. Fortunately new communities don't get created every day:-).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You need to know enough about a community to bring it in.

Which is why the size of an instance matters. You need people to subscribe to different communities to fetch the content

That seems counter-intuitive.

This prevents denial of service from unwanted communities

[–] AchtungDrempels 0 points 1 week ago

That's why it's a great idea to recommend new users to sign up at .world. Makes it easier :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a common thing when new communities are made and propagated.

First, it is there - at least I am able to see it at https://lemmy.cafe/c/[email protected]. Are you not able to access it with the following link: [email protected]? If not that would be more troubling.

Second, all posts have just 1 upvote (the default) and most have no comments (except the one I made half an hour ago) - that seems due to a delay that ended sometime after the 1st subscriber joined it. As time goes on, new posts and new comments should appear there, though unless there is also a backlog issue on top of the initial delay, those old ones are likely a lost cause and will never ever reflect the full complement of comments & votes. But new ones will, like https://lemmy.cafe/post/10565961 with 3 comments in it.

Let me know about the above link, and either way, thanks for raising the issue to make sure that it works on your instance. :-)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

First, it is there - at least I am able to see it at https://lemmy.cafe/c/[email protected]. Are you not able to access it with the following link: [email protected]? If not that would be more troubling.

I subscribed in the meantime

https://lemmy.cafe/comment/8853432

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

You are just that speedy:-) ⏩

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can probably crosspost on the community itself, maybe a few members who participated today will be interested

[–] Anticorp 2 points 1 week ago

No, but I'll volunteer as a mod.