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Not willing to give them ideas so fast.

That's something that popped in my head as soon as I started in here, not so long ago.

But there's nothing to prevent that, right? I mean, Meta could very well create a meta instance on Lemmy or Kbin or Mastodon or in all of them, bring a bunch of users, sprinkle in some ads because why not.

Sure, they could be defederated from more restrictive insfances. In the bigger picture, every other instance could boycott them, but they would surely federate among themselves (Elon meets Mark, ugh). They also have all the computational power and would have no problem being the largest instances in the Fediverse.

Then what? Is that feasible? Probable? My utopian future about a free, descentralized Fediverse is a lie?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Not sure if that would be the end of the world. Something needs to pay for hosting and companies will want to use social media or may want public forums.

Could be an ad supported instance or a nonprofit with membership fees to pay for hosting. There could also be an instance for hosting company based topics and mod accounts. On Reddit a lot of games or companies had an official sub and accounts. Running the magazine/community could be a service. Especially if there were some extra tools or settings for companies or company accounts. Another possibility is having a closed and private instance for internal users like a slack or internal wiki.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Corporate instances would be a sign that this thing is gaining traction. Obviously there are downsides, but it would give a lot more credibility to the fediverse and get more people to give it a try. And someone has to pay the hosting costs anyway. Financing will increasingly become an issue as user numbers grow. The point where you can't just do this as a hobby project any more is going to come sooner rather than later.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The point where you can't just do this as a hobby project any more is going to come sooner rather than later.

Will it, though? I thought one of the big points of the fediverse is that you can host your own small instance, federate with other instances, and get the content you care about. It's certainly not easy enough for most people to do right now, but it seems like ernest and others are working on making it easier.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I have been looking at setting up my own kbin instance and the big unknown for me is how much disk space will it use up. I have seen others report in the range of 400-500mb a day. That seems low but it's only going to increase over time and then it becomes a question of data retention, how long do I want keep content 99% of which I may never look at again.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You can for yourself, hosting a large instance for others does require time, financing, a legal entity (if for nothing else, liability purposes). Most people are much more likely to use what is already there unless they have an itch to do it themselves.

Mastodon is a non-profit that also hosts the largest mastodon instance, ultimately I think there will be a ton of small hobbiest instances and a few big ones - they should preferably be run by non-profits to help avoid the current Reddit situation (more like other open source projects).

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are already corporate instances, like Trumpโ€™s Truth Social.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@exohuman @RomanRoy truth social doesn't really count as their mastodon fork doesn't federate

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They choose to not federate, or no one will federate with them?

I can't imagine creating an instance and then just choosing not to federate. Lol kinda defeats the purpose.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't imagine creating an instance and then just choosing not to federate. Lol kinda defeats the purpose.

Isn't that just taking working open source code and privatizing it? Makes sense to me. If you want a Twitter clone you have that in an instant.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Technically yeah. But it's like buying a car just to keep walking everywhere. You get none of the benefits really.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd describe it as buying a car with a trailer bundled with it and never using the trailer.

Haha, this feels like Reddit. Arguing over nonsense semantics.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Lmao we home bby

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@CMLVI They choose to not federate (they wanted a walled garden); of course, most of fedi wouldn't want to federate with them anyway

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Lmao fuckin idiots, all of em

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I was actually just thinking this when thinking about switching to @pixelfed i was thinking what if Instagram just converted to federated instance. How that would look

[โ€“] MiddleWeigh 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Let em do it.. with how this whole thing works, it's not like they'll hold any type of power or sway with in the feddiverse. We will just have more options as far as content, and the ability to come together to defederate, or just block on your end.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Wow that would really be a wonderful development honestly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This wouldn't be a problem at all, or possibly even a good thing. If one instance is supported by shitty ads then people won't go there and they'll sign up elsewhere. That's the whole value of the fediverse - choice and no lock-in.

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